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113802.66 in reply to 113802.65
Date: 10/1/2009 3:43:45 PM
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The two-time defending MVP of the NBBA and the perennial rating leader in the NBBA both have proficient stamina, and it definitely helps their performance.


I think stamina helps performance.

But I believe the point newchuck was trying to make is that if there is such a big adventage in performance when moving from 4 to 8, because, when you consider the cost of 3/4 weeks of training to improve stamina compared with the benefits of improving other skills when you already have stamina 4; asking if those next 4 levels would really improve(I mean some important increment) your overall performance when compared with 2 key skills in 2/3 players in performance AND market valuation.

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Date: 10/1/2009 3:58:57 PM
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I wouldn't train stamina solely for one player's benefit.

Since everyone loses some stamina every week, when you do train it (usually those rare 2 game weeks), it's always helpful.

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:15:49 PM
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I wouldn't train stamina solely for one player's benefit.


Sure. That is why I talked about "overall performance" compared to "2 key skills in 2/3 players".


Since everyone loses some stamina every week, when you do train it (usually those rare 2 game weeks), it's always helpful.


The thing discussed is not if "sometimes" is helpful to train stamina, but the effect of training stamina when you already have a stamina of , say, 4 and want to improve to 7/8; the cost of doing it and what would be better in terms of performance (for both player and team point of view).

We all know stamina will help. But there are two things we are talking now: 1) How much will help? 2) Does stamina have a decreasing impact along their levels?

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:27:20 PM
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Though average NBA teams play their starters much more per week then we can in BB. Here's the top 5 in total minutes for the Lakers during 08-09 last year:

NAME..........gm/wk.. mn/wk..mn/gm
Kobe Bryant....3.4.....123.3....36.1
Pau Gasol .......3.4......125.0....37.0
Lamar Odom....3.3......96.5......29.7
Derek Fisher....3.4.....101.7....29.8
Trevor Ariza....3.4......83.3.....24.4

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I'm not saying this is poor game design, but it is different from the reality of most professional team.


And like the Lakers, if you play your key players between 29.8 and 36.1 minutes in every league game and in no other competitive games, it'll come out just about perfectly. :)

Are you saying between 59.6 and 72.2 minutes are best for game shape or you just didn't do your homework?

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:40:52 PM
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I have a question referring to that: If player's stamina is high, can you play more minutes per/week? I think that with a guy who has prominent stamina, You can play 80 min week. Am I right?

This was actually exactly my suggestion, which you can find in other recent threads in this forum.

That would just unbalance things. Those who aimed for high stamina players chosed their path and their poison. Cahnge impact of stamina and it would be like players with atrocious free throws suddenly making more than 60% from charity stripe. You can't just convert training of some skill into useles or a must have thing (by a sudden change).

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:44:51 PM
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The two-time defending MVP of the NBBA and the perennial rating leader in the NBBA both have proficient stamina, and it definitely helps their performance.

Performance of those players, Not necessarily performance ot the team - i.e. there are other ways how to get the same quality of team performance (although not so beneficial for league ledears stats board short term)

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The two-time defending MVP of the NBBA and the perennial rating leader in the NBBA both have proficient stamina, and it definitely helps their performance.


I would be willing to wager that they would do about the same with around respectable stamina, though. I have not noticed a big difference with high levels of stamina.

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Date: 10/2/2009 3:49:14 AM
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So basically, your plan would be. Make stamina effect the minutes per week, so that you could negate the minute managing. To play your starting five (with high stamina) for 48 minutes in three games per week. Future will be 6 player team (6-th man being the injury defence:D ). Stamina plays a role in this game. It has an effect in the players performances. Yes skills have and will have different weighting.
Next let's make SB ultimate skill. At lvl16 SB your player blocks 90% shots attempted against him.

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So basically, your plan would be.


First, it is not my plan. I'm just saying that it is not such a bad idea.


Make stamina effect the minutes per week, so that you could negate the minute managing. To play your starting five (with high stamina) for 48 minutes in three games per week. Future will be 6 player team (6-th man being the injury defence:D ). Stamina plays a role in this game.


Never did I say that it should "negate minute managing". I don't even care if the effect is small - so with very high levels of stamina I can play my guys 70-80 minutes per week.


It has an effect in the players performances.


Actually, my experience is it only affects player performances if you use them as starters. If you're playing guys only half the game, pitiful stamina is probably enough. With 30-36 minutes, mediocre stamina is plenty.


Next let's make SB ultimate skill. At lvl16 SB your player blocks 90% shots attempted against him.


I think you missed it. They already changed SB so it is more realistic. Maybe you want it to be the ultimate skill but that's not my preference.



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Date: 10/2/2009 9:24:02 AM
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the game would be much more fun if you wouldnt have to throw games. the regular season is so boring right now..everybody ties until the playoffs and too many games are won by 50+ points.

it is also annoying that you have trouble to get your topguys in the top 10 statistics because they had to sit more than 7 league games due to the cup.

and even if i wanted i could not afford the salary of 3 players that would help me prevent losing in our league.

an nba team has 15 players yea and i would be fine if i could start my 5topguys in 3 games per week, have 3-4players coming off the bench for decent minutes and another 3-4 who can have some garbage time.
but you cant precisley give orders about the minutes to be played in a game

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