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I would not and could not make demands on what they train. I could only make suggestions.

I would tell managers that there is a certain type of player I want for the national team. If they want to train their player to fit their team's interest rather than fit the interests of the national team, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean I (or any national team manager) has to take that player onto the NT.

edit: Training primary skills above 15 will make players cost prohibitive for most lower level managers. My suggestion that they focus on the secondary skills is actually in their interests.



Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:37:33 PM

i think you english would say "i agree to disagree with your statement"

i do think for a club team such a player could work, or focus on outside defence (which is in my opinion the most important skill in the game.

if you can train as a club a PG, SG, with 18+ OD, a SF with 16+ OD and a PF and C with 10+ OD, most teams if not almost all will find it hard to have a higher offensive flow to beat such an OD. I am not saying this is entirely impossible, but it will be very difficult. not many bigs have higher passing than 8 or players used at SF dont have a lot higher passing than level 10. so to challenge such an outside defence is hard.

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C. you need players with high passing. cant you imagine most countries not having 1 for each position with very high passing? you only need one. we have some very out off whack trained players. sand pearson isnt the worst. not by a long mile. I cant disclose players stats, but play with the salary calculator and see for yourself what passing level our best guards could have. and you will see that we have enough passing on the team to beat alot off OD. we have enough players with 150k + salary. but i am positive not a single EBBL team can sustain 5 150k+ players with high enough passing to beat exceptional OD.

i want to say to all, i dont mind criticism, not at all, but it needs to be based on something, if you criticise by comparing apples with bananas, club teams with national teams or players that other countries have (with perfect skill build) and england nation team players, than i do get a bit cranky... and i am not going to apologise for that. because i mean it when i say, i dont mind criticism and i will admit it when i am wrong, but the criticism must be founded on something

i do think for a club team such a player could work, or focus on outside defence (which is in my opinion the most important skill in the game.)

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C. you need players with high passing. cant you imagine most countries not having 1 for each position with very high passing? you only need one. we have some very out off whack trained players. sand pearson isnt the worst. not by a long mile. I cant disclose players stats, but play with the salary calculator and see for yourself what passing level our best guards could have. and you will see that we have enough passing on the team to beat alot off OD. we have enough players with 150k + salary. but i am positive not a single EBBL team can sustain 5 150k+ players with high enough passing to beat exceptional OD.

This is exactly the strategy I was aiming for. Until this post of your's, I didn't realise we had the same view of an optimal National Team.

+1 ball for you, and let me know how I can help. For the record, if this is the direction that the NT is headed, I would seek to CARRY ON the good work.

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:45:55 PM

sorry but i didnt post a strategy in there.

i just stated some facts about our NT and about what players we have available.

ideally you have for the NT about 15 or 16 players with indivdual skill sets. all different from eachother. but that is very unlikely.

but you need high OD or high other skills to stand out. and lower league teams cant sustain such players with such salaries. how do you think most countries that are in the top train their players? Let me tell you, the lower league teams train the players until they no longer can afford them and than div II or div I teams buy these players (before hand already agreed who trains what player) and than trains these players onwards. since this is frowned up on and doesnt work in the benifit off most teams, i decided to take such a role upon myself. train players myself, sell them to a team i know will train them, or when I am ready to get back to the EBBL, I will keep these players and I will not put myself forward for the position off NT coach again. becuase this would cause a conflict off interest.

ps what strategy did you think you read in my post?

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 6:49:36 PM

I figured this was your goal:

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C.

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:53:15 PM

this is a dream.

are you willing to train your C 2 or 3 seasons out off position to get to level 10 OD and 10 PS?

and i forgot to mention 8 or higher JR too off course.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 6:54:26 PM

The difference between good and great players is out of position training. So, yes that is what I would expect of any national team player.

than i cant wait for you to start training such players... if any prospects come along, i will be sure to let you know. but if you cant handle high salaries than it is better you start with 18 and 19 year old ones. because the bigs we have now on the NT need alot off secondary training, but I doubt you can handle their salary.

Happy to help. Yeah, it works much better if you start with the out of position training.

I gave a quicly look at everything you wrote.I don't understand the real reason if discussion...maybe sands pearson.
Well the only thing I would say about the train of inside guys is this thing:
in my opinion players like Sands Pearson could be only Center that needs some improvements in outside skills.
There's a big difference between PF and C. PF need a lot of JS ,alittle OD could be good some DR pass and also IS ID REB etc etc and if he does not this things ,he's a Center.
I believe that to be competitive with other teams , a center should be trained first of all in his primary skills IS ID REB until a good level.(if you look at the transfermarket ,there are a lot of players with 17 17 17 in IS ID REB that don't stay in NT).
So the good level in my opinion are about 17-18 to start to be more competitive(the problem could be salary but there are some coaches ready to train this players with high salary)
After that he could be train in outside skills..... 1 vs1 to improve JS DR HD and some JS.
England can have a player like this

JS10-11 (I don't know skills of Sands but with 1-2 year train he can reach this level) JR xxx
OD5-6 DR 8-9
HD 8-9 Pass 6
IS 18 or more ID 17
REB 18 BS 0 ;D

(this values are invented,I don't know skills of Sands Pearson but I believe that a player like this could be a Good Center that sometimes you can use like PF.

Random side note, while we're talking of outside skills on inside players. Passing is actually more important on C's than on PF's, just so everyone knows I guess.