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149547.68 in reply to 149547.36
Date: 7/2/2010 5:01:44 AM
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The reason we removed the random picking of botteams to this system, is that teams in a league with lets say 14 botteams got too much of an advantage above other players. They could and win most games, and pick the best talents. If you are in a league with that many botteams it will certainly be somewhat harder to get the best talents, but for most managers (there are few leagues with that many botteams) you won't see much of a change.

Sorry but I can’t agree with you. If you play in a league with many bots you have anyhow the advantage in not having to scout for the first N players ranked on top of the baseline ranking corresponding to the number of bots in your league. Furthermore if your league is full of bots you are most likely to be not very strong anyhow and the little advantage of having a large choice of talents will just help you to catch up a little bit faster.
The rule of the bots picking the top players in the baseline ranking could become a problem for small countries where talents are rare anyhow. Their chance of picking a top player will be even smaller by now while big countries will continue finding a lot of high potential players....

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Date: 7/2/2010 5:50:13 AM
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I don't want to discuss about the new system but I want to say that is not acceptable to have a big difference among II.1 - II.2 - II.3 - II.4; I mean that in our division the best player drafted is an 8k salary with potential 8, in another division the best player drafted is an 3k salary with potential lvl 6. To be fair the system must have more or less the same players.

To be honest, how many players with 8k salary and potential 8 do you see??? That's the dumbest comparison I have seen yet. Nomatter which league get's that guy, it's probably better draft than 99% of drafts around the world anyway. Are we talking about potentials here? There are decent players with lower salary aswell. You don't have do draft that 3k pot6 guy, why not take that 5k pot 4-5 guy?
You agreed with this division equality. So should all div2-s be equal. Or just in one country. What about all div4-s? There are 64 of those, or don't you care about nothing else but upper levels. What you fail to understand that draft is a big pool with junks randomly taken from there. Yes there is a chance that one draft get's more from the upper latter of the pool and some drafts get more from the lower latter of the pool. That's what random is about. It would be really boring if every draft had 2 decent players and were clones of eachother.

The text you quote isn't even mine.
What I wrote was this
The difference in the draft lists among different leagues in far too big. And I am not talking about the best one or two players.

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149547.70 in reply to 149547.41
Date: 7/2/2010 5:56:15 AM
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i'm one of those that think that the quality of top prospects in draft pools is too much different from one pool to another.
i understand what random means and i'm not bitching: i just happen to have a different idea than yours.


There were around 100 All-time great talents placed on human teams in the draft this year amongst 14778 leagues. Even if things were spread out as evenly as possible, fewer than half of the leagues could receive a player better than superstar.

I understand the desire to equalize draft pools. There might be some debate as to whether it's a good thing to do, but regardless I don't think I see a way it might be accomplished. What would you suggest be done?

Don't know if it can be easily done, but you could use constrains.
One constrain could be that there cannot be less than 20 and more than 28 18yo players in each pool, another one that there cannot be more than 2 players with potential above 9 or no more than 5 with potential below 2 (all these are rough numbers, of course)

Once you generate a player (in the exact same way you do now) you can verify if, according to the constrains, he can be added to that pool or has to move to the next one.

Last edited by Newton07 at 7/2/2010 5:56:59 AM

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149547.72 in reply to 149547.50
Date: 7/2/2010 12:17:37 PM
Koopasaurus
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For that matter, as has been pointed out several times by people trying to convince us to go to a system more like the present one, you didn't really have to have scouted LeBron to know that he was at the top of his draft class. In fact, under the current system if you discover such a talented player in your draft pool, you will even be able to estimate pretty well where he'll go in the draft order and plan accordingly.


That is another element that can be used as part of a strategy, cos as soon as you know there is a Lebron James in the draft, you can proceed to tank the season. This is exactly what Boston Celtics did to try to get Oden or Durant when they tanked the season.

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Date: 7/2/2010 8:43:46 PM
LionPride
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The BB's aren't trying to play god.

And a Q for the BB's: Can you give a rough estimate in terms of weeks on how long it will be before this new draft is available.

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Date: 7/3/2010 8:47:35 AM
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If the main issue of the new scouting system is whether bots should choose randomly or follow their rough baseline, I think the system will have been a huge success because it addresses a lot of the issues that have been brought.

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Date: 7/3/2010 1:30:22 PM
Koopasaurus
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I'm not suggesting that it would make it more fair or not.
I'm referring to this quote by one of the BB's:

In fact, under the current system if you discover such a talented player in your draft pool, you will even be able to estimate pretty well where he'll go in the draft order and plan accordingly.


What I'm saying is that under the new draft system if you found out that there is this talented player (Lebron James) in your draft pool, then it could be a strategic move to tank the rest of the season to get a batter chance at getting this once in a lifetime player.

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Date: 7/3/2010 3:58:09 PM
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And a Q for the BB's: Can you give a rough estimate in terms of weeks on how long it will be before this new draft is available.
I'm wondering this as well.

Also, a logistics question: You say that "Scouting points may be spent at any moment until the draft is run, but cannot be carried over into the next season." What that would have meant this year is that when the economics update ran on Monday, we would receive how ever many scouting points, and would then have only a handful of hours to spend them and rearrange our draft lists before the draft started at 11AM.

Last edited by broncoWI at 7/3/2010 3:59:03 PM

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Date: 7/3/2010 4:33:02 PM
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You agreed with this division equality.

I quoted the text because you agreed with it. Your own quote adresses the same thing.

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