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229484.68 in reply to 229484.67
Date: 2/16/2013 1:21:02 PM
Woodbridge Wreckers
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Very understandable, I can imagine there's not many people that train 2 position HA for bigs. Can you tell how accurate it is approximately? Is it just so little information that you can hardly say anything about it, or does it point to the right direction but the impact could be bigger or smaller?

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229484.69 in reply to 229484.68
Date: 2/17/2013 11:28:34 AM
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I don't have the training in statistics to tell you how accurate these numbers are, per se. What I can tell you is how much data the numbers are based on.

Here is how much data we've got:
I'll give you three numbers for each training type. Each entry represents a week where a player got at least 1 minute of training in the given regimen.

Total entries, then entries where player's height is ≤6'7", and then ≥6'8"

Passing (PG) - 3358, 2926, 432

1v1 (F) - 7500, 4328, 3172
1v1 (G) - 3443, 3153, 290
JS (F) - 2406, 1319, 1087
JS (G/W) - 5086, 4529, 657
[JS(W) and JS(G) are treated together since their results were nearly identical]

Handling (PG) - 243, 208, 35
Handling (PG/SG) - 128, 121, 7

Re: Passing – So, your comment prompted me to look into this a little more. And I'll show you what we're dealing with. But I ought to say a one thing first. The Training Simulator, like the "training speed analysis" page on the BB Training Project, models the height effect linearly. But linear models may not be the whole story.

When I look at training speed data for 19yos (the age where we have the most data) for PA(PG) and group it according to height I get this (the # in parenthesis is the number of data points included):

19yo
5'9"-6'3" : .58 (284)
6'4"-6'9" : .65 (178)
6'10"-7'6" : .48 (21)

This suggests the height effect for passing PG might better be represented as a curve (with middle height players receiving the benefit) than as a line. But when we look at 18yo's and 20yo's it looks like this:

18yo
5'9"-6'3" : .62 (235)
6'4"-6'9" : .60 (127)
6'10"-7'6" : .70 (23)

20yo
5'9"-6'3" : .57 (369)
6'4"-6'9" : .54 (153)
6'10"-7'6" : .60 (25)

With 18yo's and 20yo's it looks like there might be a curve that favors the extremes instead of the middle. When the CPU weighs everything in, and assumes a linear model, the TS is what you get. If the line is actually a curve, my guess is that this model matches the short end well and overestimates bigs a little. But that is based on instinct and not data. The data supports exactly what the TS simulates.

As you can see, most people don't train bigs in Passing. So this won't effect most users. But it also gives you a sense of where our data gives us more or less certainty.

When we tested the TS against players we'd trained in the past, it was accurate to within half a pop per skill over 6.5 seasons of training for a 6'4" SF and the same for a 6'2" over 3 seasons.

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229484.70 in reply to 229484.69
Date: 2/17/2013 6:49:13 PM
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Thanks a lot for the numbers and the explenation. I hope more people will start training PA on big men as I think it's both very efficient and effective.

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229484.72 in reply to 229484.71
Date: 3/4/2013 8:38:28 PM
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The Season 23 version is now ready for download! Check the original post for the link.

Sorry for the delay...

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229484.73 in reply to 229484.72
Date: 3/23/2013 6:53:39 PM
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Sorry if I'm being really stupid but I'm lost on how to use this, I would greatly appreciate it if you explain to me. Also, does it work on a mac?

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Date: 3/23/2013 9:32:54 PM
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Yeah it works on Mac. Download OpenOffice

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Date: 3/23/2013 9:46:48 PM
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So, a number of folks have asked me for help in using the spreadsheet. Rather than try to do this on a piecemeal basis, I just uploaded some more helpful instructions imbedded into the training simulator. If you download it again, they will be there for you to read.

Also, if you can't see everything in a cell, adjust the cell height or width until you can read it (by dragging the dividers at the top or at the left hand side).

If you're still having trouble, send me a bb-mail and we'll try to get it figured out.

BTW, created it on a mac, so it should work on a mac.

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229484.77 in reply to 229484.76
Date: 4/17/2013 2:21:16 PM
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hmm...

It should work if you go into the "file" menu and select "download" instead of using the "download" button.

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