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Note that with your view the opposite should also be true: if you had a winning streak followed by a losing streak people would still come and see you.

Well isn't that exactly what will happen until you actually fail to win a game in 1/3 of the season?

No Manon that's not the opposite. The opposite would be that the more games you won the lower the boycott should be if you go into a losing streak. So if you start 7-0 you should have a 50% offset of a future boycott decreasing by 5% per home game. This would be the opposite, applying the same logic behind this new rule...

First of all you talk like everyone no matter what will be hit just as hard. And second, this will hit those that absolutely fail to win a single game during a third of the season. Something that shouldn't be impossible for any team that has a decent roster.

I think my roster last season was good enough to make the playoffs if I didn't have injuries and if I didn't train (i.e. playing 3 guards and 3 of the 4 best players of the team at C for 48 minutes every game). You can say this as many times as you want but I have factual evidence this can happen as it happened to me!
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/276019/schedule.aspx?sea...

Sure i can see extreme cases where a team may lose 2-3 top players for a long time where this may be unfair, but this must be such a rare case and a case where the team clearly didn't bother to staff a decent level doctor. And if he did and still gets such injuries on 2 or more players he must be extremely unlucky.

Arrows demoted from the EBBL after making the playoffs the previous season due to injuries (5 weeks to his best player). He might have won 1 game while his guy was out, I can't remember, but we did see a good team being miserable because of it.

I'm also not sure if training three 18 yo trainees should be done in a league where it will lead to automatic losses for such a long period of time. If you decide to do so you have made an active choice. And as long as you got funds you probably can get players to win at least three games that season by doing team training .

Ok so D1 shouldn't train 18yo and 19yo. Good to know. I wonder if this was done on purpose and something has changed in Marin's mind.

But also i think that the funds a team has needs to be looked at more then what situations actually will lead to a team being hit by a boycott.

Teemo disappeared but I wonder what he thinks about the thresholds. No one from the staff so far has clarified what they think people should be able to accomplish with 2,3,4,5 million in the bank, in terms of how many players you can buy that are going to make a difference. I will wait, perhaps sooner or later one of them will do it.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/29/2016 10:16:45 AM

We want to force people to train. We want to make training appealing. Training is king Manon. Where were you when they removed other ways to play this game?

Have you seen the 70-80 TSP 30yo+ Free Agents lately? They know there aren't enough players, they will never admit it on forums, but they finally understood after many seasons of people raising 'concerns'. Marin [dedicated very harsh words to] me and Perpete had to amend his post when we had a row on Free Agency. As said, all of this is because there aren't enough players and you are faulting me because I train 3 players out of position in both teams? Do you really think I should be penalised for contributing something essential (new trained players) to this game?

If you think it's ok that people training should be penalised with the boycott on top of everything else they have to deal with because of the current system, then we have a very different view of the overall situation this game is in.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/29/2016 6:35:32 PM

Marin insulted me and Perpete had to amend his post when we had a row on Free Agency

Must be nice to create stories and hope it will stick with some users...

I had difficulties to imagine how you would fare if the positions were reversed.

Two members of staff have insulted me so its not hard to believe. I have difficulty imagining how I would fare if I went around insulting staff.

You should remember I'll go and check if I still the have the bb-mail we exchanged Perpete.

Edit: Thanks to Wolph and several GMs' correspondence I don't have the bb-mail anymore, but I will find the post that you amended on my request and I expect your apologies for calling me a liar. This will serve nicely to show wracap that what I said about remembering things isn't just a random rant.

Edit 2: Et voila' monsieur Perpete:
- My post: (270734.128);
- Marin's reply: (270734.149);
- My reply: (270734.151) (deleted by you or another GM as you told me via bb-mail)
- My request to delete the offensive part of Marin's post which prompted 151: (270734.154)
- You trolling a bit pretending you don't understand what's going on (I incorrectly mentioned post 152 instead of 151):(270734.155)
- At this point I think contacted you by bb-mail and asked you to remove a specific part of BB-Marin's post 149 which was as offensive as my reply in 151 which got deleted right away. I can't prove this as I can see only the last 100 bb-mails
- You amended Marin post deleting the offensive and ad personam part.
- Many thanks:(270734.157)
I think 156 might have been mine too, but who knows, it's hard for me to remember: you guys deleted 1 post every 6-7 in that thread as this vintage Knecht pointed out: (270734.72)

Man, I must say that thread that Mike Franks started was epic, so wild. I wonder what happened to Mike Franks, you managed to break him in the end? He was such a zealous supporter of the staff at the beginning, but you managed to turn him into one of the harsher critics. Seen that pattern several times. I also managed to get Marin to admit that he mislead the entire userbase (which he had vehemently denied to the point of verbal abuse towards me in the bugs thread), but he stopped short of admitting that he simply lied because he wanted to push his agenda (270734.98).

I admit now that the newspost is partly misleading and should have been written better. It was a mistake on my part and I stand by it, because I'm only human and not being a native speaker definitely didn't help. The accusations that this was intentional and part of some deception and a conspiracy don't even garner a response from me. I should have mentioned that the free agent numbers will dwindle across the board with the exception of very young ones, which are making their debuts. The responsibility for the misunderstanding is mine alone.

This is also to set the record straight about the good guys who cared about the game and understood what was going on. I claimed back then that:
a) the devs were sneakily introducing a widespread cut to all FAs. This was repeatedly and violently denied both by Marin and several GMs, before Marin changed his tune and admitted to it;
b) that the near total removal of FA was bad for the economy, bad for the mood of the userbase (who was complaining about high prices all the time), bad for talent and in particular bad for training, boosting which was the stated goal of the changes (yes the hypocrisy ran deep in BB at the time).

I've seen 31yo+ free agents with TSP in the 70s lately...funny, how things change...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/29/2016 5:28:23 PM

I'll be waiting for the apologies by you and those who gave you an up vote (oh wracap are you among them?).

In fact, Perpete, since your post (284063.73) is actually spreading false information about me as I told the truth, why don't you amend it?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/29/2016 5:24:57 PM

Sadly, it will your word against mine on that one. I can look back a lot more than 100 BB-Mails and you didn't contact me during that period (seems like our first BB-Mail exchange was in September 2015).

I can't say for sure what I changed in Marin message, but if that was insults, I would remember it and since it had stayed up close to 48 hours, others would remember too. There was probably things to change/remove since I did it, but insults that wasn't.

You can only see what was written if you delete the post entirely? Ok. It was personal enough or off topic enough for you, a GM, to feel like you should listen to me and delete part of Marin's, the only active BB back then, post.

Also time stamps: I requested the amendment at 1.42. You posted at 1.50 referring to the wrong post. I'm pretty sure post 156 where I corrected my initial wrong reference was also mine and was posted between 1.51 and 1.56. You can check this since you deleted it entirely. You changed Marin's post at 1.56. It took you 1 to 6 minutes to agree that Marin's post was not acceptable or off topic and to act. So much for your 48 hours (which really were more like 32 anyway). I did not request Marin's personal attack to be deleted until I noticed my reply (post 151) had been deleted.

Now, if you wish to keep discussing about BB communication, moderation and year old thread, that would be better to do so on the "Is BB dying thread" (at least that thread isn't). I hope we can agree that this current discussion has nothing to do with fan boycott.

I didn't bring this into this thread, you did. You accused me of lying and I think I have the right to defend myself here. Now since you say the evidence doesn't prove things either way (because of all the edits) we should probably agree to change both posts. I shall change 'insults' into 'harsh words' and you will change what you wrote about me.

Otherwise I ask you to provide proof that I lied or misrepresented things and that there was no ad hominem in Marin's post. This side story ends here and we can move on talking about this silly boycott change. Thank you.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/29/2016 8:09:21 PM