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102222.7 in reply to 102222.6
Date: 7/23/2009 1:49:21 PM
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The idea of the current system is to have at least 1 team per division relegate unconditionally -- no second chances.


Whose idea? I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but you're making that up.

I think it's a great idea, actually. And not just because I'm a curling fan. This suggestion — not coincidentally, from a Canadian — is simply the Page playoff system (without a final) used in curling tournaments.

The BB team. I am not making this up -- I have brought up proposals for relegation playoff structure that involves the entire bottom four. The answer was that being able to tank for a top pick and avoid relegation at the same time is undesired. Therefore, guaranteed relegation is a must for the league structure to work as desired.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 7/23/2009 1:53:13 PM

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102222.8 in reply to 102222.7
Date: 7/23/2009 1:58:39 PM
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OK, thanks, that's the explanation I needed to hear, at least.

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102222.9 in reply to 102222.8
Date: 7/23/2009 2:48:17 PM
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OK then, what about this?

8's get RELEGATED.

Two pools are made (below)
Big 8 #5, 7 & Great 8 #6
Great 8 #5, 7 & Big 8 #6

Then, teams compete in a round-robin format.
1st Tuesday - #5 (at home) vs. #6
1st Saturday - #6 (at home) vs. #7
2nd Tuesday - #7 (at home) vs. #5

The team with the most wins (or largest point margin as TB) is SAFE.

2nd Saturday - 2nd place team (at home, according to above) vs. 3rd place team.

Winner is SAFE, loser gets RELEGATED.

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102222.10 in reply to 102222.9
Date: 7/23/2009 2:51:50 PM
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whats the advantage of finishing 5?

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102222.11 in reply to 102222.10
Date: 7/23/2009 3:00:01 PM
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You get to play at home against the #6 team, any you only have to play away against the #7 team.

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102222.12 in reply to 102222.11
Date: 7/23/2009 3:12:37 PM
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the question is that an advance or an disadvantage ;)

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102222.13 in reply to 102222.12
Date: 7/23/2009 3:51:14 PM
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My round-robin format is designed so that every team is able to get funds from a home game in the playoffs. Isn't that more important than having the #5 team play at home in all of their games, making it almost impossible for them to get relegated?

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102222.14 in reply to 102222.13
Date: 7/23/2009 3:56:34 PM
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actually you could win your away game, and you should have a advance of finishing 5th then 7(ok currently this place is a punishment to, but when we change it don't replace is with an Hobsons choiche).

Maybe the fund problems, could be fixed in dividing the money 50:50 - that won't be bad for the PO team too.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/23/2009 3:57:18 PM

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102222.15 in reply to 102222.14
Date: 7/23/2009 4:10:29 PM
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Maybe the fund problems, could be fixed in dividing the money 50:50 - that won't be bad for the PO team too.

I could go with that, but there's no reason that every team that doesn't make the playoffs shouldn't have to fight for their safety. When the playoffs start, everything is back at square 1 - season records don't matter except for homecourt advantage, which doesn't need to be there anyway because of the placement of teams in the playoffs.

From: Kukoc
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102222.16 in reply to 102222.13
Date: 7/23/2009 4:16:51 PM
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I think the biggest issue is the problem with incomes not really adding up with league standings.

We can probably all agree that #1 and #2 have it covered. #3 and #4 are a little off balance (#4 prolly earns more than #3 as the income is based on the home team arena. #1 usually has a bigger income than #2), but it adds up with #3 having a better chance to win the game. Usually playoffs end for them in one away game income.

#5 has the biggest problem with no income. Perhaps this should be avoided with both #5's playing eachother with income split and multiplied perhaps with 0.5 (why? because we want their income to be below #4 teams income) or any number that balances it out a little.

I think the the relegation matches should be decided with one game. With #6 playing at home and income divided just like with playoff teams. This income needs to be multiplied with a number, making #6 earn a little less than #5. The second option would include some attendancy penalty for the relegation matches.

#8 should relegate without extra income, with the bonus of getting a high draft pick.

I hope this was understandable.

From: Cuzittt

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102222.17 in reply to 102222.16
Date: 7/23/2009 4:59:10 PM
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While agreeing that there is an issue with the monetary funds... that issue is mostly with the 3 game relegation playoffs. The 6th and 7th placed teams end up profiting more than not only the 5th place team, but likely the 3rd and 4th place teams.

I don't personally see a major problem with the lack of funds for the 5th and 8th place teams. I do see a problem with both teams losing a game for the purposes of training.

Therefore, the only 2 changes I would like to see is:

1) On the Tuesday where the playoffs start, the 5th and 8th place teams play a force scrimmage (B5 vs. G8, G5 vs. B8).
2) Something be done to limit the financial gains of the 6th and 7th placed teams (going to a one game playoff would be fine as they also would not gain the extra games for training... putting all but the top 2 teams in the same training position).

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