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169024.7 in reply to 169024.6
Date: 1/14/2011 8:20:35 AM
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after first cut (the top 5 guy's left in the vote + ties for the 5th spot + those who got minimal 5% of the votes), their are 4 remaining candidates:

LA-Revo
Niels_68 ( who hasn't made a speech)
Camacho (who hasn't made a speech)
LA-Laurens (who hasn't made a speech)

oops, no more wyatt...


Outch. You've K.O. him! The debate has just started that there is already nothing to say! =D

Wyatt999 and all Belgium managers: enjoy BuzzerBeater. Keep on playing this wonderful game. Keep on developing your managerial skills and you'll be ready to lead a NT to success ;-).


isn't that what you are supposed to do when debating? trying to KO the other one? :P

btw, i always wonder how some do it, how do those who don't make a speech ( looking back at the season 13 election. i was the only guy to make a speech, yet, 2 other managers got 18 votes each... with no speach... i really wonder how they got those 18 votes. if you get 4 or 5 votes, well, from some teams of your division or so) then i'd understand. but getting 18 votes without speech, is something that i just don't understand...

So i wonder, how many votes will the other candidates get this time. Nobody else made a speech, so they shouldn't be getting alot of votes. Maybe LA-Laurens could get some, because of his LA tag, but i should have the same advantage in that case...

LA-Revo

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169024.8 in reply to 169024.7
Date: 1/14/2011 8:53:56 AM
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You learned me something. I didn't knew elections were proceeding this way. So in the second round, the only ones left are the candidates that gathers at least 5% of the votes? Are you sure?

Yeah, Wyatt999 is out thanks to you LOL ;-).

About the guys that don't make a speech... You know, some player makes friends on BuzzerBeater. They have got their lobbying that enables them to not post any speech. It's unfair for the ones that made the effort to build a consistent program, but that's how it works. Unfortunately!

The "LA", "GM" tag helps a lot in elections. You don't feel like having the same advantages as Laurens?

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Date: 1/14/2011 10:24:22 AM
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first of all, I am wondering why a foreigner is following our debates about NT. but nevertheless, feel welcome.

then: a lot of users do not use forums. yet they can still vote. In this case a tag indeed helps, but what is best is a splendid name. lekkerdingzonderstring for instance. ;)

I'd alos like to point out that K.O.-ing opponents might help you get your title, but won't help you get help from fellow candidates. I believe that every candidate has at least some motivation, and it might be good to involve them into the NT, rather then knock them out cold. a Country can never have enough motivated people who are doing their best for the NT.

NT coaches burn up, due to the amount of work, and at that time it is good to have a good replacememtn who already knows how things work and has some inside info on the NT. So gather everyone interested I'd say.

They are not your friends; they dispise you. I am the only one you can count on. Trust me.
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169024.10 in reply to 169024.9
Date: 1/14/2011 10:41:17 AM
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first of all, I am wondering why a foreigner is following our debates about NT. but nevertheless, feel welcome.
I'm just following your debates for fun =). Like I do in countries in which I understand the language =P. Plus, I want to get more involve in BuzzerBeater and contribute to its development. And IMHO, chatting/posting/writing, whatever you call this, is a good way to create a pleasant atmosphere in the game.Thanks for welcoming me though.

It's interesting to see the behavior and habit of each country. So here, like elsewhere I have to admit, depending on the nickname you choose, you get more chances than others to win the election.

I'd alos like to point out that K.O.-ing opponents might help you get your title, but won't help you get help from fellow candidates. I believe that every candidate has at least some motivation, and it might be good to involve them into the NT, rather then knock them out cold. a Country can never have enough motivated people who are doing their best for the NT.

NT coaches burn up, due to the amount of work, and at that time it is good to have a good replacememtn who already knows how things work and has some inside info on the NT. So gather everyone interested I'd say.
That's true! I completely agree. But there are some profiles that you can determine easier than others. Most candidates don't really want to get involve in a NT if not elected... Rare of the ones that wants so, and generally, they are easily identifiable. So I kind of understand the fact why Revo knocked him out so quickly. Even though it would have been better to go easy on him.

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169024.11 in reply to 169024.10
Date: 1/14/2011 12:54:07 PM
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I think an important issue is for NT players to have club stability, not being transferred every other week. That's why I think NT staff has to work together with club owners to ensure the skills and salaries of the players make sense both for the NT and the club. I also think it could help the versatility of the NT, with a wider array of usable tactics to beat difficult opponents.
With that in mind, I'd like candidates to answer a couple of questions.

What emphasis do you put on non-primary skills?
If you have been involved in the program in the past, can you give me an example of not selecting the player with the highest salary, providing their skills if possible? Answer hypothetically if you have never been involved with the NT yet.

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
From: Laur3ns
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169024.12 in reply to 169024.11
Date: 1/14/2011 1:14:25 PM
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Well it seems that it's best if I made a little speech! =D
I'm not going to brag about my great achievements, because I haven't played at a high level...
But I do got one cup-final under my belt...
I've been playing this game for quite some time and I think it's time for something new... Because competition games can get quite boring from time to time!
There's not much I can say about our current NT except for the fact that results just should be better...

Greetz
Laurens

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169024.13 in reply to 169024.12
Date: 1/14/2011 1:39:37 PM
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How about a speach in the speach thread?
(169023.1)

"Air is beautiful, yet you cannot see it. It's soft, yet you cannot touch it. Air is a little like my brain." - Jean-Claude Van Damme
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169024.14 in reply to 169024.13
Date: 1/14/2011 3:06:26 PM
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Ah well...
To tired to notice.. My bad

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169024.15 in reply to 169024.5
Date: 1/15/2011 3:26:46 AM
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I have the capabillities of speaking french, enlish, german, ducth, and etc. If needed. There will be no barrier.

Hands down you knocked me out and I aprecciate a candidate like u.

As for experience I wish to increase it through the team. I have looked over many of the players stats and know their strong points, what positions they play and quality on the floor.

Pleaz do not single me out bcause I am less experienced. At least I made an attempt compared to candidates who didn't write speeches.

Enjoy victory whoever wins. I wish LA-Revo and other candidates best of luck

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Date: 1/15/2011 5:41:20 AM
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I think an important issue is for NT players to have club stability, not being transferred every other week. That's why I think NT staff has to work together with club owners to ensure the skills and salaries of the players make sense both for the NT and the club. I also think it could help the versatility of the NT, with a wider array of usable tactics to beat difficult opponents.
With that in mind, I'd like candidates to answer a couple of questions.

What emphasis do you put on non-primary skills?
If you have been involved in the program in the past, can you give me an example of not selecting the player with the highest salary, providing their skills if possible? Answer hypothetically if you have never been involved with the NT yet.


well, to answer your non primary skills:

advtange of having good secundairies: it can help in other area's: for example. and SG with rebounding could be interesting. especially if he has a bitt of ID aswell, then you could play him as a SF and have a great shooting advantage. disadvantage in that case would be that you give up a bitt in inside defense and rebounding.

disadvantage of having good secundairies:
well their are a few infact:
1) it means that you'll hit your cap sooner ( especially for players with potential such as perenial allstar and superstar, it will mean that you'll have less room to put your skills into)
2) when you trian player to a high lvl, then it means that those secundairies, which you won't always use in the best possible way, will be adding alot of salary to your player.

example: you have 2 SG's

SG 1:
JS 18 JR 11
OD 17 HA 10
DR 12 PA 10
IS 1 ID 1
RB 1 SB 1
ST 7 FT 7
XP 3

SG 2:
JS 18 JR 11
OD 17 HA 10
DR 12 PA 10
IS 1 ID 7
RB 7 SB 1
ST 7 FT 7
XP 3

first SG will cost you $93676 a week ( according to HOW8 BB salary calculator) where as the second one will cost you $136736. for the NT, the second one is more interesting, but it means that the club needs to pay 40k per week more for that player for skills it will most likely never even make use of.

If you have been involved in the program in the past, can you give me an example of not selecting the player with the highest salary, providing their skills if possible? Answer hypothetically if you have never been involved with the NT yet.


for the providing skills part. i hope you don't mind, but as a NT coach, the managers wouldn't like you showing off the skills of their player on the forum. When being a NT coach, you are supposed to keep the skillset of the player to yourself, and not to share em around. Theirfor, even tho i'd love to show you an example, it would mean giving someone else info over a player that you might face, and theirfor i won't show anyone. what i can show you is this:

this player: (2597824) has been on BB for a while. yet he has never been selected into the NT. Why? he's got 62k salary, which is the highest salary for a belgian SF at this current point. but he's only got some jumpshot and jumprange. he hasn't got alot of outside defence, neither does he have alot of inside defence. players such as (9438514) and (9440316) might have less salary, but they are way better defenders, and their shooting is almost as good.

i hope that answers your question.

LA-Revo

ps: do note that those in the NT now aren't the actual selection. i just need to update the whole database, and i'll be continuing the update soon during the weekend, after which, in the event that i'd be re-elected, i'll be reselecting the actual NT players right after the weekend.

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169024.17 in reply to 169024.9
Date: 1/15/2011 5:43:42 AM
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first of all, I am wondering why a foreigner is following our debates about NT. but nevertheless, feel welcome. :)

then: a lot of users do not use forums. yet they can still vote. In this case a tag indeed helps, but what is best is a splendid name. lekkerdingzonderstring for instance. ;)

I'd alos like to point out that K.O.-ing opponents might help you get your title, but won't help you get help from fellow candidates. I believe that every candidate has at least some motivation, and it might be good to involve them into the NT, rather then knock them out cold. a Country can never have enough motivated people who are doing their best for the NT.

NT coaches burn up, due to the amount of work, and at that time it is good to have a good replacememtn who already knows how things work and has some inside info on the NT. So gather everyone interested I'd say. :)


i've got 2 guy's willing to help out next season. one is from belgium (Garrus, but he's got exams right now) and one is from portugal. i know it's alot of work, so i did look for some help, and i have found some :D


There's not much I can say about our current NT except for the fact that results just should be better...

Greetz
Laurens


well, as i said in my speech, we had some bad luck, and we have some problems in the NT which should be adresses. you can't expect a little BB nation like us, who hasn't got a single C that has more than 200k salary, to go up against NT teams who have got 400k salary on most of their C's, and win it. you won't win it by attacking inside anyhow... Our NT has it's limites and the pool of players to select has grown in the past 2 seasons, yet it's nowhere near what the Dutch (Netherlands) The French, the Italian, the Spanish or the Germans have.

looking at the upcomming european quallifier, i think we should be able to end 4th, maybe 3rd. The calender doesn't allow us to have a shot at the second spot, yet, if we are lucky that some other team beats Slovenko (and we don't face any uncalled CT's allong the way) then we might just be able to slip into that second slot. But it's a long shot. Last season, i tried to take advantage of HCA by going normal agains the germans, after the favorable outcome in season 13 against them, yet i ended up paying cash for it because UAE ended up Cting us... Sometimes you have to take your chances, and did what i though would pay off most. If you look at last season, all games were rather close losses after the frist 2 games. Bulgaria won by 3 points from us. Venezuela by 6, but it was a close match till the end. Island won by 10, but that got ballooned due to all the fauls the players were making without making a single 3 point shot at the end. At Against the Netherlands, well, we didn't have a chance to win their, because their NT much better than ours.

Though luck last season for me, results weren't as good as i would have liked it, but that is about everything that you can hold against me. in season 13, i did decent, and each time a season is over, i let go of some NT players, and call up some U21 futur players, to keep motivating their manager to train theri players. Ofcourse we'll lose some games while having lesser players on the NT, but scrimmages hardly have any influence on the NT rankings, so win or loss doesn't matter their.

Also, by removing players from NT after your competitive games are over, then you lose enthousiasme. so basically, each scrimmage played is one played where the enthousiasme equals 1. makes it hard to win anything at that point. I play to win during the competitive games. after those are over, i select people to motivate their manager to continue the training, hoping that i (or another NT manager) will be able to select em in the futur once they are fully trained.

Last edited by AthrunZala at 1/15/2011 6:13:43 AM

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