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I expect over 90% listed free agents will retire on noone bid them rule. If you looked at present bot teams, almost all players waged 10k+ were listed even with old FA rules. Maybe some interesting players with wage below 1k will come to TL.

The 10X salary rule is obviously extremely flawed, and I'm not sure if the BB's intended to make it as flawed as it is. For starters, I'm sure on their spreadsheets, 10 seems like a good number to multiply as an average, but they failed to account for age and position. While a 25-year-old center with a $35K salary is work 350K, a 32-year-old version of that player worth less than that. So what'll basically end up happening is that market prices for younger players will go down and market prices for older players will remain about the same.

Another problem is that guards will probably depreciate in value much more than big men. A $35K, 28-year-old guard can go for about $1M but his center counter part will go for about $400k. Eventually, prices for these kind of centers will stagnate around $350K because at that point the retired teams won't be competing with price but the guards' prices will go down much more. This is all speculation obviously, but it makes sense to me that guards will take a much bigger hit and I think that might be unfair to players that recently bought high priced guard trainees (I personally don't feel cheated though).

I think the changes coming up in training will have a much bigger impact on the relative value of different positions than the addition of more bot team players to the TL. Cross-training will probably change a lot the current training strategies, especially for small forwards, but this may also ripple to the guards' value. The main reason for the difference in the value of guards vs. centers is really about the number of skills needed for the different positions and how much time it takes to train them. This has been discussed at length in other threads, but in a nutshell, training a center is easy so valuable centers are more plentiful on the TL, while training a guard takes more time (just training up OD alone is a task!) and so valuable guards are less available on the TL.

Bot release will act just the way it did before, only the players over a certain skill level will be transferlisted and all the others will directly retired. The only difference is that the bot players that do get listed, will now be listed at 10x their salary instead of $0. The new listing rule applies to all fired players and f.e almost completely removes the possiblity to sabotage NT players that happen to not be part of the NTs selection.

Bot release will act just the way it did before, only the players over a certain skill level will be transferlisted and all the others will directly retired. The only difference is that the bot players that do get listed, will now be listed at 10x their salary instead of $0. The new listing rule applies to all fired players and f.e almost completely removes the possiblity to sabotage NT players that happen to not be part of the NTs selection.

This sounds to me like players below that "certain skill level" will still be retired directly going forward, is that right?
From how I read the mid-season news, it sounded like all players will be transferlisted, no matter how good or bad they are.

Last edited by El Duderino at 6/22/2011 11:38:59 AM

As I said, no single change will be made to the release of bot players, other than that they now will not get listed at $0 but at 10x the salary. The rate of release of bot players per country, and the requirements for bot players to release will continue to be the same as it was the past seasons. The players that didn't make the cut in the past season, still won't make the cut and thus will still retire.

This rule has an effect on all fired players that would normally directly retire, but now get listed. These players will now only retire if they didn't get a bid on the transferlist.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 6/22/2011 11:52:37 AM

Ok, thanks for clarifying this again

so correct me if I got it wrong again ;-)
Bot players: only get listed if their better than a certain level (for 10x salary)
players fired by human managers: get listed no matter how good they are (for 10x salary)

exactly. Nothing changed in the way how bot players are listed, they are just listed at a different value.

Ah, that's different from what I read into the News.

"the player's union has announced that players will no longer be subjected to automatic retirement when their managers fire them. Instead, players will now take their talents to the transfer market... Under the new rule, the only way for a player to be permanently retired is if no manager decides to buy him."

I interpreted this to mean that all players were to be listed regardless of skills or salary, which would increase the number of players on the TL. I guess I was wrong. I will punish myself now by throwing salt in my eyes.

Ok, will someone explain to me what exactly the new cross-training involves?