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Oh that's a good one ! Thanks for the laugh of the evening :D

Is there a connection between that response to the fact that you are playing at the first division of France, which is one of those huge BB-nations that hadn't a single team that joined the game later then season-4 at her first division?

From looking at your league standing on last two seasons it seems that this suggestion is directly pointing to your behavior. As it seems (?????) from that observation, you are tanking all season long, for (at least) two season in a row, and then, at the end of the season, secure your place at the division by buying players for the sake of that alone.

Wow. I didn't know you were so bad to analyze BB teams :o

Check again my team, my transfers and ranking. Also, check how much I pay my players currently and call that again tanking :D

Seriously, reread your proposition and tell me this would be a good idea. Secondly, you, the hero of real BB (your BB, basketball, not the one of the 50.000 other users, the game), can you tell where in real life you saw something who are similar to what you are proposing.

To finish, stop thinking other just defend their position, you are so totally wrong, it's getting more and more annoying.

since it is impossible that player lost in value(the value increase in age), and you are behind younger team you have to be tanking. VOID

Hence, I suggest that on each end of season all of the leagues on the same division will be ordered from scratch.
The teams will be ordered upon assets value estimation.
Those that are ordered 1-16 will assemble league X.1, those ordered 17-32 will assemble league X.2, and so on.

Seems terrible.

Let's say you play in III.16 (which you actually do, but let's say you continue to play there after such a reordering) and you then win the league and promote. You would thus promote ahead of 225 teams (16*16-16-15) that we can expect, by your judgement actually, to be better teams than yours. Does not seem fair, and this can't really be considered merely good luck, can it? In the current system, this can't happen systematically or in practice at all. (Apart from the lowest-league-level issue discussed somewhere in the depths of thread (206866.1) where something similar is possible in very unlucky cases.)

After you promote to II division, you are thus most likely to be placed in II.4 (along with many of the other newly promoted teams). You are a likely underdog (given your previous judgement) and may end up demoting, but let's say you overcome the difficulties and go on to promote again. These things happen due to manager's skill, short-term strategies, and pure luck. I have no doubt you excel in all three. You thus promote ahead of 45 teams that, again by your judgement, should be better than yours. At this very same moment, there are still a bunch of teams in division III (probably about 200 of them) that we can expect, by your very own judgement, to be better than yours. Some of them promote, many even demote to division IV.

Of course, this is the worst-case scenario that probably requires some good luck. But this is also something that is made possible by your suggestion, and this is something that will happen to a lesser degree under a league system based on that suggestion. How is this at all fair or even a slightest improvement over the current system?

If your suggestion were implemented, I think the current pyramid structure (see example above) should be reorganized into something with many more division levels than what we currently have. That would be very bad for large nations, while potentially quite nice for smaller nations. As far as we know, the current overall structure will however stay and all countries will use the same system. Your suggestion seems doomed.

I'll givey ou your 42nd ball if you admit that you have ever been wrong about anything in your life, starting with this suggestion.
I've never heard of this being done in a real league structure anywhere in the world, ever. usually you argue for realism. Clearly this suggestion is completely unrealistic.
Can you admit even that? NO? Durn.

Amazingly, the same users are afraid of any change that will make
the "wall" for the new users reasonable.

Did you brang a reason or a claim why it is a bad idea?
No.

Did I was supprised by that?
Not really.

In the real world, there are no tankers.
In real world, there is no league that is actually played by few teams only while the others are just "watchers", and by desicion.
In real-world, all of the leagues are balanced in a sence that all users at one league has a really same chance to be promoted.
In real-world, the fan base will just leave the team if that team will decide that they are saving money and not using it to make the best team they can.

You are trying to play on both angles, and you don't have a single ball (or claim) to play on either of the two.
This is why you are focusing on attacking the suggestor and not the suggestion.
Maturity and mentally-abilitites in motion.

How about we simply make completely random divisions and conferences every season and the winner of each "league" will win a ... cup?

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 3/12/2012 3:07:33 PM

Users are just pilling up more and more assets (money, roster value, arena size, etc.) as the seasons go by.

wrong
here is a simple example from my league
this is just 1 team in my league & just this year

bla bla nonsense etc

is that really piling up more assets?

I'm about to make a fund raising for you and all the div-1 teams.
Who are you trying to lie and fool?
I found that user, and "amazingly" he is placed 7th at that conference.

Because you've brang other users example, now we will look at yours;
Here are the last four players you sold, and the price they had been bought by:
Darius Black Sold Unbelievable Magic 2/13/2012 $ 383 200
Ryan Brown Sold TORRAOS 2/13/2012 $ 500 000
Barlas Karahan Sold silver ducks 2/13/2012 $ 600 000
Matt Gade Hastrup Sold Caraman BC 2/8/2012 $ 150 000

The first two are draftees - a plain clean profit of 883K.

The third:
Barlas Karahan Bought FC Buraking 12/17/2009 $ 190 700 [400K profit]

The forth:
Matt Gade Hastrup Bought TÄNA! 10/29/2011 $ 250 000 [100K loss]

So, on those last transaction you've earned 1,180,000$.
This does not count the revenue you get due to the Arena, etc.
Piling up indeed.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 3/12/2012 3:33:59 PM

Hence, I suggest that on each end of season all of the leagues on the same division will be ordered from scratch.
The teams will be ordered upon assets value estimation.
Those that are ordered 1-16 will assemble league X.1, those ordered 17-32 will assemble league X.2, and so on.

Seems terrible.

Let's say you play in III.16 (which you actually do, but let's say you continue to play there after such a reordering) and you then win the league and promote. You would thus promote ahead of 225 teams (16*16-16-15) that we can expect, by your judgement actually, to be better teams than yours. Does not seem fair, and this can't really be considered merely good luck, can it? In the current system, this can't happen systematically or in practice at all. (Apart from the lowest-league-level issue discussed somewhere in the depths of thread (206866.1) where something similar is possible in very unlucky cases.)

I'm not sure I'm following what you are saying.
There are 16 teams from DIV-III that will be promoted.
Some of them will not be the best on that division. This is the base of that.

Users that are demoted should pay for being demoted (so they will stop tanking), and what is more important, the leagues needs balance. That is not achieved by current system.

An additional reason is the JBBL league for example (again, thanks to Wolph who assisted me bringing up this suggestion).
Users who joins a leauge with such a big "wall" (due to the assets pilling up each season that pass by), will leave.
This is the main reason that the BB-community is just stuck at 50K for far too long.

After you promote to II division, you are thus most likely to be placed in II.4 (along with many of the other newly promoted teams). You are a likely underdog (given your previous judgement) and may end up demoting, but let's say you overcome the difficulties and go on to promote again. These things happen due to manager's skill, short-term strategies, and pure luck. I have no doubt you excel in all three. You thus promote ahead of 45 teams that, again by your judgement, should be better than yours. At this very same moment, there are still a bunch of teams in division III (probably about 200 of them) that we can expect, by your very own judgement, to be better than yours. Some of them promote, many even demote to division IV.

All that is plain better than just having tankers going back and forth to their higher division, and pilling more money while causing the user that seeing that to find the game incompetitive and leave the game.
This is the reason that the BB-community just does not grow.

Again;
A user who is tanking should pay for that, or understand the grave consicouences.
A user that see each season teams that he could never beat (and due to that the other team is much longer than him on the game) being demoted to his league just to be re-promoted on the following season, will just leave the game.
Not really the founders wish...[But does the current situation]