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What impact do you think the passing skill has on the SF, PF and C spot? Is it worth training big men in PS?
My personal opinion is, that an atrocious on PS really hurts, even on the C spot, but I don´t think it´s worth training above mediocre or average for PF/ C.

I agree. 7 is enough. At the moment I have a trainee (passing at 7) making impressive 4,7 assists in 36,7 minutes (if you count friendlies the number rises to 6,1). Big guy with 6 passing makes 2,2 assits in 33 mins, big guy with 4 passing makes 1,5 assits in 29,8 mins and one guy with passing 2 makes 1 assist in 30,9 mins.

According to coach parrot, passing for SF is pretty important in all tactics and for centers not that much. And for PF passing is important depending on the tactics used.

What impact do you think the passing skill has on the SF, PF and C spot? Is it worth training big men in PS?
My personal opinion is, that an atrocious on PS really hurts, even on the C spot, but I don´t think it´s worth training above mediocre or average for PF/ C.

I agree. 7 is enough. At the moment I have a trainee (passing at 7) making impressive 4,7 assists in 36,7 minutes (if you count friendlies the number rises to 6,1). Big guy with 6 passing makes 2,2 assits in 33 mins, big guy with 4 passing makes 1,5 assits in 29,8 mins and one guy with passing 2 makes 1 assist in 30,9 mins.

According to coach parrot, passing for SF is pretty important in all tactics and for centers not that much. And for PF passing is important depending on the tactics used.

yeah, but how many turnovers do each have? What's their pass % in advanced stas?

all the players in my roster (with the exception of Mikey Johnson) Has 5+ passing, my centers both have 7 PA and 1 on thursday almost had a triple double cause of that. I have been close latly of having T-Ds on my centers. I literally came 1 pass short of it. But I think passng above 8 is enough for a big. I'm glad I don't have to train passing on my bigs!

But for guards you need PA. 13+ on a D1 guy is great. 8+ on a big is good, and 10+ for a SF

Bt still, I think good passing goes with good flow. better flow=higher possibility to win. If yo're an offensve team, you need passing. That's why my offense is good, even though I'm more of a defensive team. I average at or over 30 assists a game!

Last edited by tough at 7/14/2012 7:26:10 AM

yeah, but how many turnovers do each have? What's their pass % in advanced stas?

Here you are:

At the moment I have a trainee (passing at 7) making impressive 4,7 assists in 36,7 minutes (if you count friendlies the number rises to 6,1).

1,3 turnovers...

Big guy with 6 passing makes 2,2 assits in 33 mins,

1,1 turnovers...

big guy with 4 passing makes 1,5 assits in 29,8 mins

1,7 turnovers...

and one guy with passing 2 makes 1 assist in 30,9 mins.

1,9 turnovers...

So you see, even with 6 passing, you're in plus :))

Yeah but the other 2.... bad ratios... but yes. Thank you for the response.

What impact do you think the passing skill has on the SF, PF and C spot? Is it worth training big men in PS?
My personal opinion is, that an atrocious on PS really hurts, even on the C spot, but I don´t think it´s worth training above mediocre or average for PF/ C.

I agree. 7 is enough. At the moment I have a trainee (passing at 7) making impressive 4,7 assists in 36,7 minutes (if you count friendlies the number rises to 6,1). Big guy with 6 passing makes 2,2 assits in 33 mins, big guy with 4 passing makes 1,5 assits in 29,8 mins and one guy with passing 2 makes 1 assist in 30,9 mins.

According to coach parrot, passing for SF is pretty important in all tactics and for centers not that much. And for PF passing is important depending on the tactics used.

yeah, but how many turnovers do each have? What's their pass % in advanced stas?

The thing to keep in mind here is that turnovers aren't strictly related to passing; poor handling will lead to turnovers just as surely. And turnovers are not the only detrimental effect of bad passing, as a lack of passing ability may leave the player without options when he receives the ball and thus he forces up a bad shot.

On average I really like your answers and your quality of those, but - without taking it personally - I really do not understand the first part of your message.
Should top division teams refrain from asking questions and/or trying to get a discussion/ sample of opinions collected in a forums thread?
It´s not like have I asked "What do I need to win a game?" (although this is of some concern for me as well at the moment, but that´s a different story), but, believe it or not, I managed to promote to the first division with a passing skill of average (6) and below for my big men. So I am indeed interested in the experience of other managers whether or not a higher passing skill might have a positive effect on the player´s/ team´s performance.
Therefore I really appreciate those managers who have or will share their opinions or experiences.
The easy statement "Passing never hurts" is indeed very wrong to me, as it hurts a lot training big men in passing; on the one hand because you have to put them off their natural position, on the other hand because you "lose" weeks of training you could possibly use wiser.

One interesting and very important thing for me is this: neither seems to have the passing skill any effect on the potential cap nor does it negatively influence the salary of a big player. The conclusion for this could be: the game counts this skill as useless on some positions --> the engine doesn´t use the passing skill to calculate a match.

On the other hand I have the strong assumption that it is used (atrocious passing skill means hardly any assist, anything above means at least some assists), but I still have no clue to which extent the passing skill is useful for big men.
Might be painful for some guys, but even without this you are able to promote to a first league. Even easier though to demote again...

I think it 's also tactics dependant. If you play LI or LP, It seems to me that the Center are at the end of the chain. And will most of the time take the shot instead of looking for a pass.
On the other hand with outside/neutral offense there may be more opportunities for the center to pass, especially with slow tempo offense. It might also be helpfull in both Isolation, sort of pick and roll.

I wonder vs which skill the Center PS is checked. If it is checked vs the other C OD, there could be a better reason to pass tha nchecking your C IS vs the other C ID. If your PS is checked vs the defender ID, it would most of the time be a worst option that taking the shoot IS vs ID..

I record my team stats in a spreadsheet in a way that I can also split them by tactics.
LI gives 33 assists
RG gives 30
Push gives 27
and the other around 20

30 assists vs MM
25 vs Z 2-3
20 vs Z 3-2

I have no stats on what amount of those assits are made by each position. Yet even my big guys with PS 7, only do 1 or 2 more assist/game than the ones with PS 1 or 2.

I should add, that I have a good offensive flow at all other position, and my feeling is more PS at C won't help much here. Not to the point of training PS for C. If I were to train secondary for C, I'll do HA and DR

I think it 's also tactics dependant. If you play LI or LP, It seems to me that the Center are at the end of the chain. And will most of the time take the shot instead of looking for a pass.

I think it's more likely that if it's an inside offense and the center receives the ball with good chances to score, he'll put up the shot. Otherwise, he may then look to pass - and if he has good passing, maybe he can hit the PF or a driving guard, while if he has poor passing he figures he's out of options and jacks up the shot anyhow.

I wonder vs which skill the Center PS is checked. If it is checked vs the other C OD, there could be a better reason to pass tha nchecking your C IS vs the other C ID. If your PS is checked vs the defender ID, it would most of the time be a worst option that taking the shoot IS vs ID..

It's checked vs. the OD. That's why even 7 passing for most centers is quite effective enough already - not too many people are defending these with centers with 7+ OD.