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No, sorry man :(

Now I did, you played it really well. But still, the problem is that my players have poor outside defense, my players are mainly shooters . I will still think a bit, and then decide, I will try 3-2 zone first, if it turns out to be good, I probably won't use 1-3-1. Thanks anyway :)

Believe me I'm in your situation, see the player that I've for sale, this is not a monster in OD but I think you don't have to focus your attention to the "hobbits" but to the center and the PF if you really want to use 1-3-1. Good luck with your next matches ;)

i did try using it before on runa nd gun and motion offense,

actually already shared my experience and that is, with this he will have a hard time to score outside but i already told you

if he had decent big men who can score then expect their big men to come up big this game that is why i ask you to scout his big men

if it turned out that his big men isnt much of a scorer even with heavy minutes then he might turn up 15-20 pomints in that game and expect he will get tons of rebounds unless you have your big man with stamina and superior rebounding

as i said i dont know what is the formation of 1-3-1 in bb world.

Well
I played quite a few 1-3-1's at the end of last season and had really nice results.
Check out my schedule. I've played it mostly against Vitoria Devils, Bauducco and Del Rei Calius, 3 strongest perimiters in LN. I also played 1-3-1 in my PL last season, against KDB and Got Rice?. Both matches went into double OT, which is amazing result for me considering their teams are way better than mine (I eventually lost those games, though).
Bauducco and Calius were killed by it. Devils has a way better team than me and struggled a bit because of 1-3-1, almost losing a home game in the LN final game 1 last season.
On another game, don't remember if semi-final or quarter-final of Brazilian tournament, Calius played a 1-3-1 against Devils and got really close to beating him even though playing away and having a worse team.

I definitely recommend using it when the opponent's inside offense doesn't scare you that much...

I should add though that every player in my team is a decent rebounder, and my PF and C are great rebounders, so that aspect of it is covered for me...

It hurts you only in two areas: ID and Rebound.
I'm pretty sure your offensive ratings won't be messed up by it (in which I include offensive flow).

If your outside defense is usually pretty bad, and if your opponent a) sucks at inside scoring or/and b) plays outside offense based strategies every game, then I think it's a possible option. This means it's not the kind of strategy you would set as default. It's a strategy to be used in very specific situations (which, I believe, is the reason everyone has limited experience with it).

Still, for the hurting everywhere around part: if those conditions I stated are there when you use it, your ID will hardly be relevant, once it won't be required very much. As for the rebound part: I doubt your defensive strategy influences the amount of offensive rebounds you produce. It influences the amount of defensive rebounds you will get. You will likely allow the other team a couple more OR than you would with a 2-3 zone, sure, but if your defense is set correctly those new offensive opportunities won't have great impact. It's not like the other team will get an OR every single shot.

You should too be careful enough not to play a fast-paced strategy, which would produce more possessions and more rebouding opportunities... (Don't know if it's your case, but I have seen a lot of people playing 1-3-1 with look inside, for example... not the best idea).

Again, it's a possible strategy IMO, you just have to think correctly the other variants when using it, not merely picking it with no further thought.



Last edited by LA-André at 9/22/2008 2:50:18 PM

This is very helpful, and the linkage you made with pace (slow-paced strategies) makes sense to me.

: )

Yes, I think I understand what you're getting at. And Rebounding is really an interesting rating, since it appears to compound a separate offensive and defensive component. I've been wondering for a while how to discriminate them. Since there are more defensive than offensive rebounds in contention (but is this true?), it seems wrong to just split the visible rating in halves. How should one do this then?

Great question. I also think about this myself. My opinion is that, ratingwise, it's impossible to tell where OR rating stops and DR rating begins. Though I do believe that your team is in contention of every rebound, so it should break down even the amount of OR and DR you're in contention (obviously this is only true in games with equal amount of shots from both sides, but it should be similar in balanced games, I suppose)

I also used to believe that defensive tactics don't influence offensive ratings and vice versa, but I'm no longer convinced this is true.

Well, I still believe in that, haven't seen enough evidence the other way...
In my case, I usually have a very strong defense (best in LN last season and this season so far) and a very week offense. But I atribute this to the fact that I hardly ever play fast-paced strategies (my stamina just isn't that good and my bench sucks, so...), so, in this case, my offensive strategy influences both the amount of points I make and the amount of points I take by influencing the quantity of shots I take and my opponent takes. The quality of my shots are influenced because of other particularities of each strategy, but that's not the reason why I don't score many points.

My experience as a newer player could be quantified more like this.

If I play man-to-man and average Inept (High) perimeter, when I play 3-2, it is around Mediocre (medium) and 1-3-1 is Mediocre(high). Roughly comparable, 3-2 is a 15-20% increase and 1-3-1 is a 20-25% increase. The inverse applies to the ratings for inside and defense though.

So, as stated above, do your scouting, figure out how your inside players matchup to his.

Also, in a 1-3-1 defense, the 4 position plays at the top of the key, so his Outside Defense score contributes some to the team ratings, while in 3-2, it does not. Depending on your need to shut down the opponent's outside game, you can play the defense that best fits your PF player.

Granted, I play in Div IV and my competition's not comparable to the talent on my team, but I am willing to give one player of the opponents an easier time scoring while shutting down 2 or 3 of his other players. That is a trade-off I am willing to make.