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here are my expectations:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byteam?&cat1=Total&cat2=team&conference=NBA&year=season_2008&sort=230

now i know, that for example, this is the top level. but the 3 point line is longer in the NBA than in other leagues, and i think 3 point shooting is a skill great players have in lower leagues too.

as you can see from there, the suckiest team in the league at outside shooting, my 76ers, shoot 29.5%.

the best team, the nuggets with an all out r&g pace, shoot 39.7%

an average of about 35% seems right to me, in fact the median percentage in the nBA (with the best outside defenders in the world) is 36%

whatever, i can accept somewhere in there as average.

my team, which is LOADED at guard (my point guard has level 13 jump shooting with level 9 jump range, my shooting guard is almost as good, etc etc), is shooting a pathetic 28.9% from 3pt rangem worse than the sixers.

In fact, my starting point guard was on the fringes of the NT at shooting guard for a while, and would have a place in 80% of the countries im guessing (he has had his best year ever skill pop wise)

(i have some overall balance of course too, my center is none other than superstud Jody Ortega, he of the 45k salary and average rating of 14).

now that might be a one off, one season of under performance.
you'd be dead wrong

lets look at my conference in my league (USA II.3). i scout it there so i should know best

University Heights Rojos, who has an actual US NT Guard, and a few other stud guards besides, is shooting a measley 33.4% from beyond the arc. this also happens to be the best out of our 8 teams, which is a terrible sign

Pinny Paralyzers, who often went R&G and FCP last season (meaning he has a good outside team), 26.2%

Our third place team shoots 27.7%

You've already seen my suckitude

our 5th place team shoots 26.1%

Our 6th place team shoots 24.4%

and amazingly, Yjet, who was an ex NBBA team, and is notorious for having no defense on his players and all offense, is mired at 21.9% in a related note, he might relegate this year in spite of having two studly guards.

and of course, our 8th place team is doign absolutely swimmingly at 26.8%

do you see a freaking pattern here? we dont have the greatest outside defenders ever either. last season I conspired to play a regulation game in which... wait for it... 331 points were scored. i dont care what kind of pace you run. our League Forum was howling at the non defense Yjet and I conspired to play.

i think about a +8-10% adjustment upwards in 3pt shooting is needed stat. seriously, high school girls can shoot better than the percentages we are running out there, and these arent joke teams.


if anyone has a national database, id love to see it, but until then, i am switching tactics, and will keep blasting the gm's for curing the wrong problem.

the reason we all ran fcp and r&G last year was it was the ONLY way our offense worked. It happened to be the best way, but percentages werent super high.

if were supposed to shoot 27% from beyond the arc, then I am going to look inside every f***ing time.


ps: what are the 3 point percentages for top real life teams in italy spain and greece?

i bet they are higher than the US.







Last edited by TheUnrepentantGunner at 12/30/2008 6:28:41 PM

Kozlodev, i find your arrogance insulting.

your own 3 point shooting sucks by the way as well.

look at the numbers.

jump range is not a very easily trained stat, and i promise you its just not me. its shooting percentages of 2 point shots as well.

maybe you enjoy having a team with 26% 3 point shooting. if thats how real basketball was supposed to be, defenses would play the revolutionary 0-5 zone, and beg teams to try shooting from the outside.

in fact, if no one thinks that league wide shooting percentages from beyond the arc under 30% are a problem can i at least ask for the 0-5 zone option?

well, if every team has sucky 3 point shooting, im pretty sure its time to go after the system.

thanks for asking though

ps: last season with unequivocably weaker shooters i had 31.7% 3 point percentage

the season before when i had a good outside shooting team and was in a weaker division, i was 35.7%

the numbers are down across the board, but thanks for ignoring the facts after asking for them

if the system isnt going to change, tell us now. but it should be changed, and that point must be made as bluntly as possible

i don't think that the NBA is the best known league for defense, but even in other leagues there are similiar stats at shooting.

But i would say the actual system is pretty balance, and it was still fun even when you usually shoot one from 10 when you play Look inside, from the 3point line. If you adjust that, the chanche is pretty good that outside Offense become to powerfull and i won't risk that.

Additional is it a problem in training behaviour, outside defense is much more common then Jumprange.

I personally would be in favor of raising the mean rate of 3 point attempts, in doing the NBA simulations I did have to raise the mean rates quite a bit.... I think I would do it gradually... start with a 5 percentage point bump across the board, so to give teams time to readjust to the new game balance.

EDIT: SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS MIGHT BE MISLEADING.. PLEASE READ (66639.86)

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:58:16 PM

My complaint with outisde shooting lately is that a pair of guards paid 5k each and a 3-2 defense can shut down an outside offense quite easily. I have been playing r&g since day 1 (season 4 for me), and the more I train my shooters, the lower my percentages are getting, specially from beyond the arc.

And this season, I have lost games to teams wich had garbage for backcourts. To the point that I'm considering selling the whole team and starting over by training inside players. I didn't start a thread like this one because no one else was complaining, but I felt like it many times. Either outside shooting is somehow broken or I don't get some part of the game.

edit: No profanity, please

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/31/2008 2:13:50 PM

i just did what i thought would be reasonable... took the 3 point percentage of NBA players in real life compared to the average 3 point shooting percentage of the nba, set the average to a jump range of 5 and chose a reasonable linear scale factor.

I also did something which i thought was reasonable for the defensive ratings, then started tweaking the mean of the 3 point shooting percentage in the engine till it seemed to match reality reasonably well.... then eyeballed the variations around the average and they seeme din the ball park, though they would probably be tuned better.