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76799.7 in reply to 76799.6
Date: 2/25/2009 2:14:35 PM
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He wants bots to be out of competition completely as soon as possible. Bot vs. bot equals a bot in next round.

I understand him, this way many teams would have a chance to manage enthussiasm in th first round agaisnt bot in first week of season no matter how harsh the draw would be in next rounds.

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76799.8 in reply to 76799.7
Date: 2/25/2009 2:56:58 PM
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If you want to see how freaky the Cup scheduling can get, check out the case of the Harrisburg hammerheads. That team just got promoted from USA IV.8 to USA III.7. One of the top team in the league is The Deitys. The poor Hammerheads not only have to open the regular season against the Deitys, they also drew the Deitys in the first round of the Cup and have to play them again in the same week! That's a rough introduction to Division III. Talk about a weird coincidence!

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76799.9 in reply to 76799.7
Date: 2/25/2009 3:49:33 PM
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He wants bots to be out of competition completely as soon as possible. Bot vs. bot equals a bot in next round.

I understand him, this way many teams would have a chance to manage enthussiasm in th first round agaisnt bot in first week of season no matter how harsh the draw would be in next rounds.


in this case delete home court in cup to, or play after the ranking like ht ;)

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76799.10 in reply to 76799.9
Date: 2/25/2009 3:54:18 PM
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I'm not the inciator don't reply to me:) I don't think current cup system is great but it is bearable, although I think that enthusism thing is a big flaw.

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76799.11 in reply to 76799.9
Date: 2/25/2009 5:56:09 PM
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He wants bots to be out of competition completely as soon as possible. Bot vs. bot equals a bot in next round.

exactly :)
In order to allow all active users to play the cup there are plenty of bots too. A lucky team will get a bot in the first 3-4 (even 5) rounds, an unlucky team will get real users... and if these two teams have to compete in the same league this situation creates a big disparity.

in this case delete home court in cup to, or play after the ranking like ht ;)

no, because the point is that we (I guess the BBs as well) want to give a chance to small(er) teams to go further in the cup.
I don't want to penalize small teams, I just want to penalize bots :)


Last edited by Newton07 at 2/25/2009 5:56:32 PM

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76799.12 in reply to 76799.1
Date: 2/26/2009 12:41:45 PM
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I agree completely. Unfortunately the current design of the cup makes it quite uniinterresting and winning the cup (especially in small countries like Sweden) is anything but prestigious which is sad.

Two seasons ago I was lucky with the draw and could advance to the semifinals playing TIE in every game. This ment that I had a big advantage in the league just because of some luck in the drawing.

Currently the primary reason to stay in the cup for me is to be able to TIE and build enthusiasm for the league games (I know a lot others that feel the same). The cup in itself is pretty meaningless.

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76799.13 in reply to 76799.1
Date: 2/26/2009 1:29:24 PM
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This season in Italy there is a II vs. II and at least 4 II vs. III games in the first cup round.
On the other hand it is quite common to have bots still in the 4th-5th round.

My suggestion is to forbid bot vs. bot games, so that the big majority of them won't reach the second round and the competition will be fairer for everybody :)


I have II vs.II in the first round and my cup is already over. It's totally unfair - their should be "pools" like in some football competition for example pool1 teams from I and II playing against pool2 - teams from IV and V.

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76799.14 in reply to 76799.13
Date: 2/26/2009 1:46:45 PM
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there should be "pools"

Actually, this sounds like an interesting idea to me. They already do something like this in the NT games, so why not the domestic cups as well? Any opinions on this?

Edit: Actually, reading the previous post back to myself and then my reply, I'm actually suggesting a completely different thing, i.e. something similar to the NT games rather than the "pools" system which was proposed above. I think I prefer my suggestion over the "pools" one. Still, anyone else think it's a good idea?

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76799.15 in reply to 76799.13
Date: 2/26/2009 1:47:16 PM
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Again, how it is "totally unfair"?

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76799.16 in reply to 76799.15
Date: 2/26/2009 2:05:38 PM
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Again, how it is "totally unfair"?


All teams from my division got bots in first round and I am going out of the cup in the first round because almighty random gave me one of the best teams in my country and because my case is the only II vs II case in Lithuania. I think its unfair.

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76799.17 in reply to 76799.14
Date: 2/26/2009 2:29:49 PM
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Both proposals are a great improvement on todays system. I think I would prefer a system where at least the top 64 teams are seeded, such that the top two ranked teams cannot meet before the finals, the top four before the semifinals and so on (i.e. a standard tennis drawing). Bot teams should never be seeded.

As long as the cup becomes more of a competition and less of a lottery I am satistied though.

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