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The proposed system would definitively discriminate teams from small countries.

That really depends upon the details, doesn't it?

Though I love all other changes, I think this one is really going in the wrong direction. As you say it depends on how it is implemented, but from what is written it sounds, hmmm, scaring.

Having to pay extra for "foreigners" is something that has limited HT for a long time, and it would be sad if BB would introduce the same limitation. The effect it had on Hattrick is that top teams can almost only buy players from their own country for economical reasons. Thus building a team becomes more of who has the most patience for searching the local market for players rather than who is the best at composing and managing a team. This is sad.

Also, by nature, the longer you play the slower your team will develop, something that most people will find moring. This is something that is difficult to counteract, however I feel no need to increase this effect by introducing limitations that mostly affects old teams.

Thus, if I would do something I wopuld introduce a "foreign player fee"that is fixed, i.e. it will be realtively high for bad players and low for good players. This would be good both because it gives something to strive for for new teams ("I want my first foreign player" rather than "I have to get rid of my foreign players") as well as being more realistic I think.

Well, I do believe that finding the players that you want should require more effort than just applying 3-4 filters, that way it's more rewarding when you find it. Now that you can filter on potential, most people would just filter allstar as a minimum. Who really wants to see 6th man and benchwarmers, i've never seen a team consist of low potential players before. MVP and up are too easy to find now. They used to be rare gems when you were browsing through your list of filtered players, now they are just presented as cupcakes.

What happened to the fact that most of the GM's stated, almost as a fact, that filtering by country would never happen. That it would be too easy to find possible NT's this way and kill the meaning of having scouts. Which i also agree with. Now that it has been implemented i hear nothing about it from the GM's. Like it should have been implemented from the start...

It's just too simple. I don't like it when BB wants to hold my hand when other people are too lazy to find the players on their own. And i know one of you is gonna go like: "well if you don't like it, don't use it", well the option is there why not use it. I still believe that it's way too easy to find players now.

I agree with chespirito.

If you still want to introduce taxes those taxes should then be added only to new players to a team. I won't suffer much from this as I only got a few foreign players which I plan to sell in a few seasons anyway when they are fully trained but I can imagine that the best teams will have a major problem as they will have to remove all their high quality players as they become too expensive and replace them with the best they can find on the domestic area. That is a lot to ask for. Will be tricky like mentioned previously in this thread also to start from scratch and only buy domestic players as you will depend very much on other users in your country actually training their players in a suitable way. I understand that your thoughts is to have a lower tax for these countries which will make it easier for them to have foregin players in their team but doubt that is going to be working that well anyway.

At the same time, 10% increased salaries might be overcomable for most teams, at least if you are top team and get a lot of crowd thanks to that stability.

To A it's a trader tax, to B it's a reward for investing in player development through the draft.
If you think about it on a game level, rather than from your position within the game, it's an excellent mechanism to balance the rewards from each approach to the game. I think it's a stroke of brilliance, and will re-emphasize the need for optimal, wage-efficient training. I just love the vision the BBs have for their economy (with some reservations about arenas).
In your particular case, I would love to know how much extra revenue you generate through the lack of consistent, meaningfull opposition compared to a highly competitive league.
You'd have to post some serious figures to convince me it's not just swings and roundabouts and that you are simply bitching to lobby for the traders.

Lets wait for the final announcement - but please be real... I got my 4th choice draft this season... a double average in SB and RB..... if you got better (not hard) well done.. if you got good enough to even consider training, congrats!!

I would love nothing more than to be able to train one of my own as im sure the other 27 users in Japan would. How many seasons / light years would we need for all of us to field a competitive team? Then for the lucky league/cup winners how would we fair in the BB3?

My radical proposal is that an even amount of ALL Nationalites is distributed in the global draft.

So my 3 guys could be a Canadian, Korean and a Scot! Yours could be a Japanese, French, Belarus.. etc etc.

To transition across we would have to explore a way to trade/exchange players and the search engine would need to incorporate all players (skills obviously hidden for non listed players)

My bitch is not to help traders... it is for those not prepared to accept we have to perhaps train our own. I want to ensure I can compete with the teams I am currently paired up against and that is BB3 for me. 1) Is to qualify.. i choose to compete with my roster in JBBL despite my player wages now being over $325k a week more than the av. team (nice new tool!) I do however bring in $240k more than the average.

My ticket prices have been lowered to ensure I shouldnt take too bad a hit after a loss or 2. I would be able to trim my salary by $200k or so and still compete if BB3 wasnt a feature of this game but because of BB3 the other changes and resulting deflation this seems a silly route to go down.

The real issue is the difference in users in small and big countries. Adding 75 Japanese players into circulation each season and saying if you dont have them we will add a new tax on your other guys (assuming this is what will happen) is in no way related to a trading argument.

mate you are spot on. it is very clear what the message from the developers means. they want us to have more players from the same nation as we are playing in that specific competition(i am sure you understand what i am trying to say)... and having a foreign player will add 10-20% to their wages. it will be a disastrous implementation for smaller countries.

Just do a search on these 3 peremiters. not older than 18, nationality english and star potential or better. In england you will find 10 players, japan has only one and iceland for example has 2 players on the transfer list.

In the usa there are 58 players for sale, italy has 246, germany has 89, spain has 289...

we are totally going to be screwed. another very badly thought over change for the future. I can understand why they are trying to do this, to make the big leagues more competitive. They need to keep the majority off the players happy, looks like we in the smaller leagues going to loose out again. I really hope they will think this all over again. From the 10 players available to me as a player in an english competition, i would only consider buying 1 or 2...

It's just too simple. I don't like it when BB wants to hold my hand when other people are too lazy to find the players on their own. And i know one of you is gonna go like: "well if you don't like it, don't use it", well the option is there why not use it. I still believe that it's way too easy to find players now.

another user that is spot on. like you i want a challenging game. not the boring, game hattrick has become. however, the most players dont have the time the both of us have. BB is a company. they need to earn a living and make a profit. if they want 50000 die hard players or loose half off that and replace them by 75000 people looking for a past time, i am sure you can see what they prefer.

over the season i have seen many people moan and it looks like these people finally getting what they want...

first of all thy say there will be more stuff to come in the next 2 weeks second you missed the most important stuff this season draf was worst then ever

i just looked at our league and looking at the transfer market how few players are on there for sale from english teams, i think you are right. the quality off drafts is alot lower. which is quite a contradiction considering they want us to train more home grown players...

Japan, or any country, needs 15 managers prepared to one position train a domestic prospect alongside an international prospect to have a competitive u21 in two seasons time, an NT in four.
If it has 27, you better all communicate well. As the champ, shouldn't you be setting an example to your community anyway? In England, Da bomby has produced our best prospect among this year's 21 year olds.

So, on the BB3 front, you're ignoring the swings and roundabouts point then? What you gain from maximizing arena revenue in a soft league you pay out in extra salaries?

@shoei
If there's a cap, more creative thinking is required within the parameters and the game language has more integrity. If wondrous is merely average, the game's custodians are not doing their job.
For example, Lebron in BB has proficient jump shot.
So yeah, no issues with that. I think it makes you work harder and how you want your team to play and what you need to do to achieve it.

The proposed system would definitively discriminate teams from small countries.

That really depends upon the details, doesn't it?

sorry... we can wait for ages for the details. but the message in the news, is quite clear to me...

Also [second thing], we be making good better use of player nationalities, and domestic players will be slightly (typically 10-20%) better economically than foreign ones. The details of this system are designed to be fair to countries of different sizes.”

so tell me what the bold bit means, when it doesnt mean that home grown players will be cheaper in wages or to buy than players that are bought from abroad and trained... if i am wrong, i apologize big time, if my english is near as good as people say it is, you are benefting big countries (understandable from a company profit point off view) big time over small countries.

If it has 27, you better all communicate well. As the champ, shouldn't you be setting an example to your community anyway? In England, Da bomby has produced our best prospect among this year's 21 year olds.

sorry but this is way too funny. telling the japanees players too communicate better. i have been quite active, i think one off the more active players in the england community and i think there were 3 players that have visited and commented on the english NT forums. Even although we have tried to get players involved alot more.

when we wanted to show NT potential players skills noone wanted to disclose this info to the other players, because it would give competitors a huge disadventage.

What should they communicate in the japanees league? disclose players ratings so they can trade or train players and than at a later date trade them?