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From: Kukoc
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Date: 3/14/2010 2:50:43 PM
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Well, our league has both 7-th team winning their relegation games. Shocking!
About tanking for 6-th place. Every time I throw a game it will cost me about 50k in next home game income + some merchandice money. This is not a problem with lower leagues I agree. But I think anyone who just promoted would take that 5-th spot any day of the week. It all depends on how many games per season you have to tank. I would of taken that 6-th spot if I would not have tank too many games. But looking at my league anything can happen. Some CT-s and some TIE-s might land you to the 5-th spot. With highly competitive league even 7-th spot. So to me it's playoffs if I can!

From: CrazyEye

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Well, our league has both 7-th team winning their relegation games. Shocking!
About tanking for 6-th place. Every time I throw a game it will cost me about 50k in next home game income + some merchandice money.


i don't think so, normally it cost you the money in the next game - so you could end with more income in concentrating to win your away games and risk more in your home games(at least in league is it different, we use most time the away game for rest for the cup or enthusiam management, and try to make sure to get the "easy" wins at home if you don't have to win that much games you could follow the opposite strategy because you don't need that much wins).

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Date: 3/14/2010 3:20:23 PM
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Exactly.

You can't explain the reason why many end of seasons in leagues are modified (indirectly because of their results, not only for those playing 5th/6th) because people let down in order to finish 5th than 6th by giving the example of your league where risks of relegation were far more important.

No one tells that it is a problem that concerns all the leagues.
Just that it concerns so many ones that we should be concerned to find a way for making 5th place more attractive rather than 6th in any case.

I don't think that you would, at least, disagree with that wish ?

Last edited by Dunker Joe at 3/14/2010 3:22:49 PM

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Date: 3/14/2010 3:21:01 PM
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I would win the opposite league 6-th or 7-th easily. I had both teams below me with worse point difference than me. So taking the risk of coming 5-th + losing some income wasn't worth it. I will take the second seed next year anyway. So going for that crappy 6-th place will obviously lose more money per season than going for that 2-nd spot.

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Date: 3/14/2010 3:26:24 PM
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Whether you win more or less, it is not only money that is at stake !
We already talked about this in this thread


Let's see the facts : it happens quite often and it influences other teams.



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Date: 3/14/2010 3:30:20 PM
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That one extra game is not a big deal. Comon. If you have decent trainees, they can rack up those 48 minutes, no problem. You have 2 games, that you do not have to win! So you can play anyone at any needed position.

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Date: 3/14/2010 3:37:44 PM
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Once again, that's not the main problem, just reasons why it happens ><

We have already talked about these different points in this thread.
Why coming back to them again and again to argue if they are worth while according to what you might win or loose ?


You might be true or wrong, it doesn't change a thing to the fact that it happens quite often, that if influences final classifications.
Therefore, if you wan't more fair competition, has something to be changed to the way it occurs today ?
That's the true question and I personnally answered YES !

Last edited by Dunker Joe at 3/14/2010 3:39:11 PM

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From: CrazyEye

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Date: 3/14/2010 3:39:58 PM
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That one extra game is not a big deal. Comon. If you have decent trainees, they can rack up those 48 minutes, no problem. You have 2 games, that you do not have to win! So you can play anyone at any needed position.



it is not only a game, it is also income(more then the most PO teams made).

I don't thing that it is worth in every league to fall back to 6, but in lot league it is. Also the motivation to finish on a better place is very low, if i had to decide if i fight for place 5 or prepare for the relegation(with an taff opponent) i would choose the preparation in the most case - betwen the most other spots i would figth hard to get the better place only the difference betwen 4th and third place is small.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 3/14/2010 3:43:22 PM

From: Kukoc

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When last season ended I suggested, that you get a finish bonus for the spot you finish in. One time income for everyone depending on the ending spot, with playoff games adding 0 income.
Second option would be to give relegation matches, scrimmage attendance. That would remove most of the income.
From another point of view, isn't relegation income giving lower tier teams some needed boost to catch up a little. We can all agree that nr1 and nr2 teams in conference have it good. If they actually deserve their spots, they will get decent income from playoffs. 3-4 will prolly get less than 6-7. You should avoid 5,8. Now depending on league strenght sometimes 5-th or above is heaven -> those being divI-s in most countrys.

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