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Now this is just a bad excuse.x2

Are you on drugs and does your mom know? How are these bad examples. They are valid answers to your questions. It's not my problem that you can't understand them.
Players have 3 day transfer window. You have plenty of time to make your bid. You do not have to be online 24/7, so please stop stating that as a fact. Search the TL, if you are a supporter, bookmark them, if you are not, mark the players and times into a separate file. Check those players every time you log on (unless you plan to log in next after 3 days) and make bids according to your funds and if you can be online or can not be online, at the time of selling.
I asked you a direct question: What is the "correct" amount of logins per month/week/day? I need an answer. Let me remind you, that you in no way can suffle through TL in 5 minutes effectivly. So think it through thoroughly before you answer.

Basically you are arguing against it for one reason only - you can get online whenever you want, and it gives you great advantage.

What exactly are you basing this on? Do you know me? Look at my transfers, read my previous posts about how I have acquired my players. This game does not need you to be online 24/7 to be successful. It needs you to log on once every 2 days. The better your team gets, the less you need to log on.
So I will be waiting for your answer on the question above.

Last edited by Kukoc at 10/22/2011 9:44:53 AM

Well, except speaking dirty (and proving by that what?), you haven't raised any claim. Again.

You've asked a single Q though:

What is the "correct" amount of logins per month/week/day?

The answer is that searching the TL takes different time upon your limitations.
When you get to an higher league, you need better players and it is harder to find (I guess...).
Anyhow, I guess that one hour a day (and even less) is enough.

Although, this question is void.

The question is not how much time, but whether this player needs to get online whenever an auction he like is going on.
The answer to that - Definately no.
He can get online whenever he wants, choose the auctions interesting him and set an auto-bid.

And I will repeat one more time.
Setting the MAX bid is not like finding the best price you can get, which is what those very thin group of users can do.

I've put another message with Q and A.
Find a Q that you think the A is wrong.
Bring a claim and do not repeat Q already answered.
You are most definately defending a position with cause. Otherwise you wouldn't bring your false claims.

Why don't you just admit that you are one of those guys that can get online much more than the others and this is the only reason you are against it?

cause i am not, i just think your merging ideas aren't practical. And i didn't see your moinority on the old system.

You just keep repeating the same stuff, don't you? I'll play one more round, but that is it.

1) No it will not be more complicated.

Yes, it will. There will be more parameters to handle if you want to make the system useful. An important principle in BB is that the bid amount is frozen until the transfer completes or you are not the highest bidder anymore. This will either limit the usefulness of auto-bid (and there would at least seemingly be an advantage for those who have a lot of cash; I didn't really think this aspect through yet) or the system will require more complicated management. There are many potential issues: you may be in a situation where you preferred auto-bid will lag a less-desired one, or you are left wondering why your auto-bid never happened (e.g. if you ran out of money during the period and the bid therefore went inactive). You may claim that the system would not be more complex if you like, but you are just dead wrong.

Rookie-users could continue bidding online.
It will just start from the price set by the auto-bidding system.

Do you think this will put the new users in a disadvantage? Choose carefully. :-)

In addition. I didn't see any interaction besides the bidding itself in an auction at BB.

I did. For example, I have been several times in a bid war with the same team. I have been in bid wars with teams from the same league, with friends, etc. I have seen teams' bids because they may actually stay visible on the transfer list for a longer period in the current system.

So let's write exactly your claims here and we will quote them.
1)

"Giving advantage to those who are willing to spend some time is IMO actually a pretty good approach."

So you are claiming:
a) There is an advantage being oniline whenever you can.
b) There is a reason why it should give this advantage.

There is an advantage in the sense that you are there to make the call whether you want to go one higher as the auction is closing. This is a tradeoff in time. You spend the real-world time in the game to potentially land a player (a certain skill set) you want sooner than you would on average get a similar player (skill set) at potentially a lower price. I think this is appropriate, yes. I have seen no argument against this that actually holds water. Your argument (which I cut) is that this game is about BB management, which is not an argument that has much meaning. I am not even sure whether you mean 'basketball' or 'BuzzerBeater' by saying BB.

2)

due to supply of players, the advantage is generally rather insignificant for the majority of users.

And here is the opposite claim.
There is no in between.
Or that it gives an advantage or not. period.

There is no opposite claim. A small advantage is still an advantage, no? In majority of cases it is so insignificant that it does not matter much in the game. Try to see some shades of grey, please.

3)

I do not believe the transfer market should be designed such that everyone is automatically going to get the best possible deal on any given player. Where's the fun in that? This is a game after all.

Basically you are consistently contradicts yourself - now you are arguing:
It gives great advantage for frequent online users and we deserve it.
No you don't. This is BB managing an not anything else.

Now you are simply insulting me and the readers of this thread. I admit that I have not read your latest answers to other users carefully, because you seem to just repeat the same stuff over and over again. I am however not happy with your style of twisting other people's arguments and putting words in their mouth, which has become very apparent in your replies to me and others.

Generaly speaking you are suggesting any claim (that contradicts each other) in favor of keeping your advantage.
By that keeping this game narrow to much smaller community.

Why not just giving money upon time a person is active on site?
It is purely the same.

I have explained to you already that there is no contradiction. And I am most definitely not trying to keep some super advantage to myself. How do you come up with this stuff? Look at my transfers, count them, see when I started in this game. I have lost many more bid wars (in the dozens) than won (perhaps half a dozen), and given the activity level of the average user I believe an auto-bid system would rather increase than reduce any advantage that I may or may not have.

I'm done with this, thanks.

I just think your merging ideas aren't practical.

Aren't practical?
First, you are changing again your argument,
Second, why isn't it practical? [Basically it is a claim w/o content].

And i didn't see your moinority on the old system.

Didn't understood your claim.

Aren't practical?
First, you are changing again your argument,
Second, why isn't it practical? [Basically it is a claim w/o content].

i never said anything else and explained it to you where detailed, don't know how you come up with changing mind.

Anyhow, I guess that one hour a day (and even less) is enough.

A team does go bot after 6 economic update. You are suggesting that this game should be equally playable for everyone. No just those who can log on whenever they want. Let's say a user can log on once a week. How can you make this game fair for him? Are you saying anyone that can not log in every day should not play this game? How can you expect a result in a discussion, when your starting theory is wrong and the outcome of your main claim is utopistic.

1) Question: Does it gives any advantage to narrow type of users?

Let's try to widen the search for your first question. Does knowing english in general give you any advantage in this game?, does more online time give you any advantage in this game?, does playing in small country give you any advantage in this game?, does better than dial-up connection give you any advantage in this game?
Should we forbid forum posts that are not understandable to everyone. If you want to post, you must have 98 translations (give or take) ready. Limit logins and time spent online. You can log in 5 times a week, not more than 5 hours total online time per weel (so you have to choose, either you want to do something else or watch games). Give everyone dial-up connection speed on the site (now this would be fun, most of us would soon quit).
If you read the forums carefully, I have been against many of the suggestions trying to give supporters any ingame or moneytary advantage. Notice the fact that I am a supporter myself. So your this assumption is also wrong ->

You are most definately defending a position with cause. Otherwise you wouldn't bring your false claims.

I don't like a game where you log in, push optimize button and log out. I like a game where I can influence things. Like: dealing with injuries (changing lineups), scouting opponents, choosing tactics, buying players. I don't need a comp to do those things for me.

I cannot do anything but repeating myself when all of you just repeating the same questions...

1) Your first part is the same thing written and answer more than I don't know how much...
It is not complicated as I've already described the all auction process.

2)

Do you think this will put the new users in a disadvantage? Choose carefully. :-)

And again, the same Q...
It is like if you would ask regarding any part of the game.
Of course veteran has advantage on the game.

On the other hand, it will improve the current unfairness with current auction system that gives advantage to thos who just can get online whenever they can.

Look, I decided at this point, as I feel that I just receive the same Q and answer the same A, to just stop.
Read my message with 5 Q and A and if something is missing right a new argument.

Anyhow, I guess that one hour a day (and even less) is enough.

A team does go bot after 6 economic update. You are suggesting that this game should be equally playable for everyone. No just those who can log on whenever they want. Let's say a user can log on once a week. How can you make this game fair for him? Are you saying anyone that can not log in every day should not play this game? How can you expect a result in a discussion, when your starting theory is wrong and the outcome of your main claim is utopistic.

Realy, you are now trying to turn what I'm saying to suite you by taking them completely out of context. This is absurd.
BB is not dedicated to those who cna play it 24/7 as much as it is not dedicated to those who cna play it once a decade.
As I said, 1Hr a day (in non comiting time manner) is a lot, and gives opportunity to a lot more and exluding those who aren't realy playing the game.
And no, onlie auction is not the target for BB managing.

Does knowing english in general give you any advantage in this game?

Come on it is totaly not related to the subject.
To be able to play there are needs. Also having access to a PC will be at that list.
After a user has this basic ability to "play the game" (any game), the only thing matters is the game itself.
To play this game enough time a week is a reasonable definition for the game.
To be online whenever there is a need in a day for having the same abilities like others, is just not.

I don't like a game where you log in, push optimize button and log out. I like a game where I can influence things. Like: dealing with injuries (changing lineups), scouting opponents, choosing tactics, buying players. I don't need a comp to do those things for me.

It is just not what it implies (and I've already said that...).
You can continue the bid-wars after the auto-bid part ends, and due to the fact that currently the users that wnat a player and just cannot be part of the auction just put the max value they thought this player should cost, it doesn't affect you at all.

Besides that, again, as the game is not about auction expert (or more presicely it is not about seeing how much one can be dedicated to the game), it doesn't realy change a lot for you.
Again, that is true besides the face that you and a very narrow group of optional users will stop having this advantage that is not part of BB managing.

I for example have bought 5 players in the last year (real time) and 4 players in the year before that. That has forced me to be online at a specific time once per 81 days (shocker!). I have also lost a few bidwars, so actually I "have" to be online about once a month (at a specific time). Like I said, I bought my last player setting the bid in advance, so I was really not online, when my team bought him. I really do not see a problem in that. How can you say that TL (or BB auction as you call it) is the main thing in this game? IT'S NOT, so it's not a problem.

Does knowing english in general give you any advantage in this game?
Come on it is totaly not related to the subject. To be able to play there are needs. Also having access to a PC will be at that list. After a user has this basic ability to "play the game" (any game), the only thing matters is the game itself. To play this game enough time a week is a reasonable definition for the game. To be online whenever there is a need in a day for having the same abilities like others, is just not.

That's where you are wrong. Everyone who can understand english has an advantage, over anyone, who does not. Most of the important (educational) discussions take place in the english speaking forums. I got very few responces and most of them were wrong, from Estonian forums, when I started playing. I then read all the english forums and got answers to most of my questions. Isn't that an advantage? NB! How come everything you say is a fact and everything everyone else says is a bad example or not relevant. I think I have shown you, that there are plenty of things in this game, that give you advantages compared to different kind of users.
Creating an auto-bid makes the game easier for daytraders with excess funds. Eventually it will drive the prices higher. There prolly will be more bugs (examples: when auto-bid fails to register, or auto-bid fails to stop and spends more than it supposed to spend), we don't even know how badly the new algorithm might stress the already slow servers.
Like many here have stated. I like playing against humans, not computers. TL gives us that option. I love it that there can be human errors. Examples: forget myself reading the forums and miss out on a player I wanted to bid on, paying more than I should of paid and regretting it afterwords, etc.
What are we missing atm in TL? Nothing. We have a system where anyone can bid (if they have funds). You can always bid a sum, that you are willing to pay or think is enough and might get the player without additional bid. There are different strategys in TL, bid high early and scare off competition or wait till the last minute and try to get that player cheap, risking to be in a bidwar with a number of managers. I think a small reward in lower price (which is not always guaranteed) is ok for being able to be online when the auction ends. It's not a gamechanger by any means.
Auto-bid will create more hassle, raises prices, makes the game more automatic and brings no new gains to the TL. Looking at the average team transfer per year and looking at the players available on TL, for the average team, there is nothing that would imply, that you can not get a decent player at a time suitable for you. It might be harder for the top teams, but logging in once a month, to bid on that special player, is really not that stressful.
I think many of us have made the ultimate mistake of dragging this thread too long (obviously you disregard any facts but your own). We should have let this thread die out, like all of the other auto-bid threads. I am 99% sure BB's will not implement auto-bid system, atleast not based on this suggestion, because you have not made any (zero, zip, nada) new points in this thread. I will let my wife tie my hands now, so I could not respond to your messages any more:D I urge everyone else to do the same.