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275166.71 in reply to 275166.24
Date: 11/16/2015 9:27:04 AM
TrenseRI
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This is all very constructive dialogue, but there are several misconceptions here:

1. "The market prices are too high." We've had higher prices than this during the old days many seasons ago. We didn't have as much complaints about inflation then because there was no long period of deflation before it.

2. "There is only one way of playing the game". This is untrue. It's all about balance and the game is more balanced now than it has been a couple of seasons ago. It was more of a (day)trading game than a training one. Having said that, it is obvious we've been working towards motivating training and discouraging daytrading. Notice the difference: daytrading vs trading. Trading is still a viable option and a good source of income if done with some patience, even if it was negatively affected by counter-daytrading measures. Daytrading was a loophole that many cheaters used. What the forefathers of BB said still stands - "there are several ways to play the game, several ways to succeed and several ways do enjoy the game" and we truly believe that (thanks to Ziad Mbouh for the quote).

3. "The new tax will push the market prices way up". There are a couple of fundamental logical errors here. The number of teams with such big reserves that they would be taxed is very small. Those teams won't spend all of their money if the tax is implemented. Most will just ignore it or just spend the part above the threshold. Even if they do spend some money, they won't do it all at the same time. So, the effect of such a small number of teams on the market is negligible. The new tax, if at all implemented, will certainly not be extreme enough to put everyone into panic mode. It's threshold will be high and tax rate reasonable. Finally, we are aiming at discouraging extreme hoarding as an approach to the game, not team rebuilding. Extreme hoarding reduces competitiveness (it implies long periods of tanking, at least to some extent) and is certainly not fun for anyone affected, while rebuilding is an integral part of the game. We are also considering a grace period, something that would give you some time to get under the threshold if you're in the middle of rebuilding and not get hit by the tax. This is why the details are still in the works.

4. "The effect of Free Agency on the market is enormous". This is hugely exaggerated. While the FA's seem like a very important part of the market, they only hold a very small percentage of it. This was true even before S31 changes. They can help reduce prices by a small margin and are used having their limited effect in mind.

5. "The effect of the new promotion bonuses on the market is substantial". Untrue. The ratio of promoting teams versus the total number of teams is small. Giving them a more money in a one-off capacity won't affect the market that much. It will be probably affected, of course, but not in the long run and not by much.

So, these should help understand our changes. I'll try to answer any further constructive well-intended questions, as much as my free time allows.

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275166.72 in reply to 275166.71
Date: 11/16/2015 10:14:30 AM
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Thank you for speaking up.

This is all very constructive dialogue, but there are several misconceptions here:
...incuding a couple of yours!

1. "The market prices are too high." We've had higher prices than this during the old days many seasons ago.
That's no excuse! All that means is that this isn't the first time prices have been too high. They are so high now that there is only one way to play -- train -- using the illogical Hattrick training system in place, which you refuse to acknowledge.

2. "There is only one way of playing the game". This is untrue. It's all about balance and the game is more balanced now than it has been a couple of seasons ago. It was more of a (day)trading game than a training one. Having said that, it is obvious we've been working towards motivating training and discouraging daytrading.
There is one of your biggest misconceptions. It is no longer possible to build a team through the transfer market. The game is train or die. Yes, it is obvious you've been "working towards motivating training." We all know that. Too bad you did it in a way that wrecked the finances for the rest of us instead of simply reforming training itself so that every manger would do it.

3. "The new tax will push the market prices way up".
4. "The effect of Free Agency on the market is enormous".
5. "The effect of the new promotion bonuses on the market is substantial".
No one is saying any of these. You are the one exaggerating. In that you sound like the expert from Japan. No one knows the ultimate effects. We just hope for the best but fear the worst, based on recent changes. The new bonuses will introduce more money into the game, that much is certain. You have done nothing (deliberately) to drain excess money from the game, that also is certain. Can you fault us for thinking things will continue in the same direction, the same downward spiral?

I hate to be so direct, but you seem bent on continuing to develop a training exercise pretending to be a basketball sim. Those of us who wanted a basketball sim will just have to look elsewhere I guess. You can have your training thing.

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275166.73 in reply to 275166.72
Date: 11/16/2015 10:30:19 AM
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You have done nothing (deliberately) to drain excess money from the game, that also is certain.


Most cup competitions in small nations much shorter now.I myself will lose about ~200k every season, which equals almost a whole weeks profit.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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275166.74 in reply to 275166.73
Date: 11/16/2015 10:38:56 AM
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Was that money "excess?" The cups are shorter because space on the server was freed up by removing bot leagues. If there is less money to be had, that is a (fortunate) by-product.

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Date: 11/16/2015 10:48:22 AM
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Was that money "excess?" The cups are shorter because space on the server was freed up by removing bot leagues. If there is less money to be had, that is a (fortunate) by-product.


In addition me and my small country peers will lose opportunities to build up game shape, which will lead to B3 becoming a big nation competition, just like the champions league in the real world.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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Date: 11/16/2015 11:00:34 AM
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Was that money "excess?" The cups are shorter because space on the server was freed up by removing bot leagues. If there is less money to be had, that is a (fortunate) by-product.


In addition me and my small country peers will lose opportunities to build up game shape, which will lead to B3 becoming a big nation competition, just like the champions league in the real world.

That's off topic, and besides, you can have fine game shape without Cup games.

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275166.79 in reply to 275166.77
Date: 11/16/2015 11:49:49 AM
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Rewarding teams for going semi-inactive and building up piles of money goes against the spirit of competitiveness.
Bravo! And that's where logic fails Marin once again. If what you say and I quoted here above is the purpose of the proposed changes then why not target tanking specifically? Would it be so difficult or unpopular to make proper tanking uneconomical?

It's very simple: you play with a team who are vastly cheaper and inferior to the competition and that's reflected in the W-L ratio? Then your fans will desert you. This happens in real life, too. BUT here's the catch: if you can stay at the salary floor, compete with mid level teams and train, then you should NOT be punished for making more money than your competition.

The last winner of the B3 made around $24 million from sales of players. If he replaced them one at a time he would have been completely unaffected by any change. Yay, more reasons to hold back on transfer listing...that's not going to be good for prices I don't think.

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