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And this is why analysts usually consider in terms of stat comparision, 71 to now.

Muggsy Bogues averaged 2.6 rebound per game in 28.6 minutes per game. A few more inches would have helped in the rebounding department.

I've watch Dennis Rodman play live. I've seen lots of games live, lots of players. Rodman wanted the rebound more than anyone on the court. Timing, depth perception, instinct, innate internal physics/trigonometric calculator (got one?), eye sight, coordination, strength, height, quickness, leaping ability... all these are parts of rebounding. Rodman wanted the ball more than anyone else. Call it aggressiveness, desire, pride, whatever. Just like Michael Jordan would get the look like he wanted to score and somehow always did when he wanted it, Rodman went after every rebound. He was never the biggest or fastest or quickest guy on the court. He was the hungriest.

Of course, then he'd sometimes go to sleep on the offensive side of things. But he'd wake up when somebody shot the ball (4.8 offensive rebounds per game in 31.7 mpg).

Alex English averaged 3.2 rebounds in 31.9 minutes. He was 6'7". I would say 2.6 rpg for a guy who stands 5'3" is pretty good, and a measure of his athleticism. The height of a man is in the stoutness of his heart and all that.

I've seen Rodman play, too. Both when he was a decent player and when he was only interested in getting rebounds. I would put 9 of the 10 factors you mentioned under the term athleticism (which I already did). The wanting the ball part I called hustle. And I agree with you completely that Rodman had all of those things. I just think that Russell and Wilt did as well. Another thing about Russell and Wilt is that defenses were geared to stop only them, whereas Rodman on the Pistons had two other huge guys that teams had to worry about in Salley and Lame-beer. When he moved to the Bulls, teams didn't even guard him because he often times refused to shoot even layups. It's easier to get boards when nobody is guarding you. None of this is meant to take anything away from the Worm who was one of the three greatest rebounders ever, as Rip put it.

Have you ever seen Bogues in person? Massive thighs and arms so long on his frame that when he'd bounce around (so quick!) you'd wonder if he'd ever got knuckle scrapes from walking around. I remember seeing him in a pre-game (before they opened the stadium to public) one-on-one with Manute Bol when they were both with the Bullets. This was in the old Chicago Stadium. No joke. Bogues was launching these rainbows over Bol, the arc of the shots must have been in the 30-40 foot-range at the peak. And I recall most of them were going in. (When Bol turned sideways, he almost disappeared. Like a walking stick. What a huge contrast to Bogues!) Someone with Bogues' dimensions and quickness, but with another foot and a half, would grab 30 rebounds a game.

Most of the posts are good, some are just laughable:

such as:

Blake Griffin OD ? Are u kidding me?

Big Z Inside Shot? The guy is a 4th option on offense at best!

Laimbeer does NOT have legendary range. He used to shoot a tippy-toes just behind the line three pointer. He WAS a legendary instigator and dirty player.

Lots of people have Jordan for OD, but no one lists Scottie Pippen, who always drew the primary defensive assignment.

No mention of Michael Cooper for Defense. What about Kevin McHale for Inside Shot?

The discussion shouldn't be about whether Rodman was a better rebounding than Wilt. They are both legendary rebounders. We're not trying to crown a champion...

Lebron is scary in the fact that he could easily be legendary in a whole bunch of stats before he's done. You could already make arguments for Jump Range, Driving, Shot Blocking, and a lesser argument for Passing, Handling, Jump Shot, Rebounding, Outside Defense...

Is Larry Bird a legendary passer? He doesn't get as many assists as Nash or Magic, but he also wasn't the primary ball handler.

For Stamina, keep in mind there is no such thing as legendary. It only goes up to proficient.


Last edited by JuggleBoy at 4/13/2010 1:17:17 AM

For Free Throws, keep in mind there is no such thing as legendary free throws or stamina. They only go up to proficient.

Stamina goes to Prominent; Free Throws goes to Legendary.

Lebron has never been a lockdown defender, nor is he a good shot blocker. He's a good weak side defender and shot blocker when help defending.

Seriously, legendary JS and JR? Please.

Jump Shot: Kobe
Jump Range: Ray Allen
Outside Def.: James/Artest
Handling:Paul Chris
Driving: Wade
Passing: Nash/James
Inside Shot: Gasol
Inside Def.: Howard/James
Rebounding: Howard/James
Shot Blocking: Howard/James
Stamina: Rondo
Free Throw: Ray Allen
Experience: Garnett

Last edited by Arlen at 4/13/2010 7:52:28 AM

There are (supposedly) 20 000 women who can testify as to whether Wilt Chamberlain's stamina was proficient or legendary...

There are (supposedly) 20 000 women who can testify as to whether Wilt Chamberlain's stamina was proficient or legendary...

Yeah awesome xD

For current NBA players who's still int he league


Jump Shot: JJ Redick
Jump Range: LBJ ( he practice those near mid court shot) / Monta Ellis (search his Video)
Outside Def.: Artest
Handling: CP3
Driving: Derrick Rose <<<JOHN WALL>>soon
Passing: Nash
Inside Shot: Duncan
Inside Def.: Howard
Rebounding: David Lee
Shot Blocking: Howard
Stamina: Artest
Free Throw: Nash(obviously)
Experience: who gives a **** brandon roy is more mature than half the late seniors