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Magic won a championship in his rookie year, Bird won one the next year...so in comparison, Jordan took a long time to get his first ring. Give LeChoke time...

Last edited by Solana_Steve at 6/28/2011 2:41:56 AM

Magic won a championship in his rookie year, Bird won one the next year...so in comparison, Jordan took a long time to get his first ring. Give LeChoke time...

Well, let the comparison (re)begin. After six years, neither of them had championships.

In six playoff appearances, LeChoke(I think this one is going to stick around for a while) averages 43.6 MPG, 7.0 APG, 46% FG, 74% FT, 713-956 FT, and 28.0 PPG

In the first six playoff appearances, Michael averages 42.9 MPG("roughly" the same), 48.55 % FG, 6.3 APG, 85.01% (I believe this is significantly higher),519-623 FT, 36.08 PPG!.

Clearly, Jordan is a better scorer and not only because of the obvious 36 PPG, but also because LeChoke's average is lying a little bit, because he gets a whistle whenever someone give him small push, shove, ugly look, whatever... and his real ppg is about 23-24, which, needless to say is not that impressive, plus most of his FG were layups or dunks, not jumpshots, so FG% should really go down with 2 or 3% at least. All this being said, you should already be wandering if this thread should really exist.
Plus, Michael played in the times when "anything goes" was at its best. So, he had to counter all sorts of pushes, shoves, aggressive picks, trash talk, etc.

And for the conclusion, Michael never went "at war" with the media, and never paid too much attention to it. And in that department, LeChokey made the biggest mistake of his carrer

I think the big comparison should be not in what they've done, but in what they've failed to do. Jordan never failed like this...

I don't know, LeBron has good chemistry with his teammates and isn't necessarily berating team employees or anything.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP1Hv29Zvok
Sure it was Cleveland but still.

and if we talk about character, really there was no athlete that was called GOAT and was a nice guy to hang around. MJ was a bad ass, kobe too, Pele and Maradona in football were the same. But no one was so disrespectful to his teammates or his team the way Lebron is.

Yes, but unlike MJ, Kobe and Maradona....Pele never used his hands.

Comparing Lebron to MJ is actually comparing apples with orange. They have nothing alike other than they where superior athletes compared to the competition. Saying that MJ or Kobe where respectful to there teammates are plain false too. Both are not known to be Dunkan like guys, not even close. I can bring several incidents to back up my opinion...

The most comparable player to MJ is Kobe (not saying that are equal just comparable). Both great competitors arrogant, amazing work ethic and most importantly killing instinct. Mentally tough since day one. Yes they both failed some times but not couz they scared, but couz they didnt know how. Both had the privilege to be coached from the best coach of the history (sorry Red, but you never manage those kind of ego's and be successful)

On Lebron now...I think that the best comparison for him is Magic or Oscar Robertson. He is 1st a distributor than a scorer. He doesnt have the ''go to'' move that the other great assassins had. Actually i believe that he is a victim of the NBA as organization to find the next global icon after MJ. NBA is a business 1st after all, the sport is coming 2nd. Thats 2 much load to curry someone...Especially if you are not mentally tough enough. Why not be Tim on his place even Dirk? well fundamental basket without flush doesnt sale jerseys on the ordinary fun.

What his faults now in my opinion? He is trying to work his JS and he did great improvements even if streaky, but thats what you want from the arguably most physically gifted player ever? given his size and skill set why not develop a low post game? much more efficient plus drawing fouls. All the greats have adapt by the time that there athleticism where fading away, and obviously Lebron with such a bulk that he gained during those years is not the athlete that once was. But again why do you need so much power if you dont post up?

Will Lebron win a ring? yes! eventually he will mature and will ''get it'' i bet that he will win more than one, but his legacy will always be hurt from soap opera of "The decision" while Dirk or Tim will always be remembered as the players that stayed loyal to there teams, and they made them champions. So in my books even if its very early to judge, comparing MJ to him is just an insult to his greatness

Just my 2 cents

Last edited by JohnnyB at 6/28/2011 7:29:33 PM

On Lebron now...I think that the best comparison for him is Magic or Oscar Robertson.

I really don't think Lebron is a point guard...I think if you had to compare him, I'm thinking Marquis Johnson, the original point forward. I think they had similar body types and skills although they played in different eras.

i though leBron is already quite good, to give other the chanche to the important shot ;) For me Wade is more the finisher in the late moments then him, and maybe also the reason why the conversion is a bit weird.
LeBron skillset is incredible, but maybe Wade has less tools then him he mastered his tool on a level that he isn't LeBron's Pippen but is on a level with Lebron. i think they somewhat had a Big two like Shaq suggest, with a great third Players with a Pippen function. But how could you argue, that LeBron is the best player played the game, when you even could debatte if he is the best player in his team.

he entered the nba at 21, he made adjustment, if everyone would want to know dominique wilkins was earning more money than jordan then. but as through the years jordan kept adjusting his game , keep improving himself. defense, hires specialist to improve his movement and his jump shot.

I am not sure, if this was just the reason because he still was so young in the league, or if MJ already was a "victim" of the Jordan effect. Yes jordan was Paid relative bad through his Bull time, because of the impact he had on the league. In fact he signed an enourmous, very long term contract with the bulls quite early in his career. But this enourmous contract get a "cheap" superstar contract through the extra attention and money he brings to the league.

But beeing an teammate of Jordan was never easy, there was incident like throwing ball in their face etc which aren't always motivating and pushing them to their max. I wouldn't make such a case for jordan is better then Lebron in that category. But i don#t think that LeBron is the right player to face Jordan in the Goat discussion, for me thats more the "oldschool" stars like Russel, Chamberlain and Magic.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/31/2011 10:53:26 PM