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I'd prefer keeping all skills and make them useful. Diminishing the number of skills would be diminishing the number of training options and resulting in a less complex game.
I like it when the 'perfect' player doesn't exist or is very rare, and according to the stats of the opponent's players you can find weaknesses to use to your advantage.
When less skills are available, it will be easier to train multiskill because less training rotations are needed.

I give up...the BB guys don't want to change SB couse they don't care enough about the game to change it while it will affect their team becouse they knowed SB suck and didnt invested in it why did'nt they told it's minor effect in the game in the game rules is a LAME thing not wanting to change the game is also lame as well but it's still a great game and i'll just put my traning and money on players with other skills and just don't give any thought about SB it's a usless skill and nothing more if a colossal SB player do 1 block in 53 min and a respectable SB player in the same game did 3 blocks in 43 min an another respectable SB player also did 3 blocks in 47 min all in the same game...and for the end that colossal SB player NEVER did most of the blocks in any game he played for crying out loud!

Shot Blocking S-U-C-K don't ever train it or buy becouse of it.

I have rarely seen a post on BuzzerBeater that is that long and so completely incorrect from first to last.

the BB guys don't want to change SB couse they don't care enough about the game

I have never seen something so wrong, and so hatefully misguided.

That game you claim the BBs don't care about was made from scratch by them, is maintained by them, and they put in long hours only to be told by someone lacking in the most basic of comprehension skills that they don't care?

These guys basically pulled a 36 hour shift over Thanksgiving weekend to fix the training bug that popped up at the time, and then fixed the issue of people changing their training immediately after the results came out. Other online managerial games would have issued a "sorry, we wont let it happen again" and then gone back to their 7 weeks of vacation.

To say that they don't care is disgusting, and reeks of a child who isn't getting his way so he's going to throw a tantrum.

That said, let's move on to the rest of this Wall O' Text:

while it will affect their team becouse they knowed SB suck and didnt invested in it

False.

why did'nt they told it's minor effect in the game in the game rules is a LAME thing

There is NOTHING in the rules about how the Game Engine interprets player skills. Why would shot blocking be any different?

not wanting to change the game is also lame as well

Basically, since the BB team doesn't give into your demands, they don't want to change the game?

'll just put my traning and money on players with other skills and just don't give any thought about SB it's a usless skill

If you're training inside players, you're setting yourself up for failure.

Shot Blocking S-U-C-K don't ever train it or buy becouse of it.

I think it's safe to say we can figure out who to buy or who not to buy without your majestic assistance.


You really need to learn the game and how things work in the real world before you can just spout off behind your keyboard and post things that are patently untrue.

The BBs have created this game for free, and don't deserve to have their passion for the game assaulted by outright lies.

Last edited by Edju at 1/14/2009 5:05:28 PM

You got me all wrong,i agree i might have written hard words that were not in place but i DO think that if ID and OD and RB affact the game a lot more then SB then it should be mentioned in the rules.

And i want to add that i see a lot of offers for changes and i never seen any being accepted except the stuff system that was needed a lot and was changed.

Sorry if i angered anyone that gave his time for improving this game but also keep in mind i'm doing it also from my house and my keybored as much as i can and just becouse i LOVE this game and want the game exp to improve.

Last edited by Doctor J at 1/14/2009 5:23:29 PM

I have rarely seen a post on BuzzerBeater that is that long and so completely incorrect from first to last.

I would say in the last he is finally right:

SB it's a usless skill and nothing more if a colossal SB player do 1 block in 53 min and a respectable SB player in the same game did 3 blocks in 43 min an another respectable SB player also did 3 blocks in 47 min all in the same game...and for the end that colossal SB player NEVER did most of the blocks in any game he played for crying out loud!

Me and some friend of mine have look, often for high shotblocking players and they mostly suck in Shot Blocked ... You won't see significant differences to a SB 6 or 7 guy, especially if this one play on guard who seem to make more blocks then big guys.

Because of this correaltion, we expect shot block affect the game in another way, as a part of Inside defence. So we went wrong, that wasn't fine but could happen :( But when shotblocking don't contribute to the game, there is something wrong because it contributes to the salary of the center in an significant way and like Forrest said before, they won't make players become bad in training then because you can't untrain then.

I have rarely seen a post on BuzzerBeater that is that long and so completely incorrect from first to last.

I would say in the last he is finally right:

SB it's a usless skill and nothing more if a colossal SB player do 1 block in 53 min and a respectable SB player in the same game did 3 blocks in 43 min an another respectable SB player also did 3 blocks in 47 min all in the same game...and for the end that colossal SB player NEVER did most of the blocks in any game he played for crying out loud!

Me and some friend of mine have look, often for high shotblocking players and they mostly suck in Shot Blocked ... You won't see significant differences to a SB 6 or 7 guy, especially if this one play on guard who seem to make more blocks then big guys.

Because of this correaltion, we expect shot block affect the game in another way, as a part of Inside defence. So we went wrong, that wasn't fine but could happen But when shotblocking don't contribute to the game, there is something wrong because it contributes to the salary of the center in an significant way and like Forrest said before, they won't make players become bad in training then because you can't untrain then.

A superior shot blocker in the NBA will block anywhere from 2 to 3 shots a game. Without doing any extensive research, I'd hazard the guess that this rate is pretty much par for shot blockers in BB as well.

By the way this thread is going, I am left with the impression that people expect players to come out and block 5 shots a game with regularity, which is not going to happen.

You may think that 5-6 obligatory misses in the game are not a big deal. However, I guarantee you these may be the difference in a close game.

If anything is a problem, it's the fact that guards are able to block a disproportionate amount of shots -- despite the fact that the rules say SB is not very useful for perimeter players.

The fact that guards are blocking is not a problem...it happens in real life,the fact that SB skill level is not shown as a factor in SB made in a game is very disterbing.

If one player is level 16 in SB and another is 3 there shouled be a major diffrence...the problem is that there isn't...by trying to be realistic in the number of blocks per game(3 is high)you are "killing" the SB importence,in the current situation in should be as a part of ID and surely not stand as a skill by itself,it's misleading to think it's importent as the other skills which is not,the SB in the game have some factors that SB is a part of but other skills are more major and affective like ID and OD.

Thats the probelm and we have more then 75 massages about that...maybe when they cross the 100 somebody will realise there IS a probelm with the current situation.

Does anyone know what the proportion of types of shots that are taken in BB are? are guards just taking too many shots in BB and that's why shot blocking is higher amongst gaurds? or are the distributions of the kinds of shots correct and guards are blocking too many of them.

I guess naively I would suspect more guards to be gaurding outside shots/long range jump shots, and centers to be gaurding inside shots/dunk shots, and so what the distribution of blocks should be should be a function of whether there are more inside versus outside shots.

A superior shot blocker in the NBA will block anywhere from 2 to 3 shots a game. Without doing any extensive research, I'd hazard the guess that this rate is pretty much par for shot blockers in BB as well.

By the way this thread is going, I am left with the impression that people expect players to come out and block 5 shots a game with regularity, which is not going to happen.

You may think that 5-6 obligatory misses in the game are not a big deal. However, I guarantee you these may be the difference in a close game.

This just isn't true. For one, are there any players blocking 2-3 shots per game?

On my team, my PG and C both play about 30 minutes. My 6' 1" PG with awful (3) Shot Blocking has 0.9 bpg. My 6' 9" U-21 USA Center with prominent (10) Shot blocking has 0.5 bpg.

Can you show such example were players with decent to good shot blocking are really blocking 2-3 shots per game?

BB's need to give life to the Manute Bol's and Mark Eaton's! Let them live!


Steve
Bruins




Last edited by Solana_Steve at 1/14/2009 8:49:56 PM

This just isn't true. For one, are there any players blocking 2-3 shots per game?

Which, in particular, isn't true? If BB is anything like the NBA, they should be few and far between.

Can you show such example were players with decent to good shot blocking are really blocking 2-3 shots per game?

There are only 4 players in the entire NBA averaging 2-3 blocked shots per game, how many do you think there will be in BB?

My PF/C with strong shot blocking swats 1.5 shots in just 25 minutes per game.

To put this number in perspective, as of tonight there are only 21 players doing better, and just 4 of them play 25 minutes or less. This sums up to less than 1 player per team.

Along the same lines, how much shot blocking do you think a center needs to average 3 block a game? I'd say proficient is not enough, especially in top leagues -- just the same way proficient inside scoring or inside defense is not sufficient.

Just for reference: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/bycategory?cat=Fielding...

Sure, from a statical standpoint the total number of shots blocked is probably only slightly lower than in the NBA. My team blocks about 5 shots a game and the average NBA teams seems to block about 4 to 6+ shots per game.

The real problem is the distribution. There is very little correlation between the shot blocking skill and the number of blocks. If somebody with no skill in shot blocking is blocking at 0.5 - 1.0 bpg -- those with the skill are blocking only a fraction higher -- then the skill is practical worthless.

If you look at the leaders from the NBA, you'd see they're all big men. Look here...Wade is the only guard in the whole NBA with an average greater than 0.4 bpg: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=G&co...

In Buzzerbeater terms, if you've got lousy SB skill, you should almost never block a shot. If you have decent shot blocking skills, your average is about right. If you have good SB skills, your average should probably double.

Now here's the kicker...here's how shot blocking can become a more equal skill. In real basketball, shot blockers don't just block 2-3 shots per game. They force probably twice as may shots to be altered from guards driving into the paint or against post players.


Steve
Bruins