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381.725 in reply to 381.715
Date: 9/15/2008 9:07:14 PM
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how can it be silly?

he even stands 6'9 rather than the debated 6'5 issue

hehehehe sorry guys im just sour graping that a 6'5 guard wont be able to cope up with a natural PG or guard training not just because of his age but also due to his height.


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Date: 9/15/2008 9:30:11 PM
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Because your example is a player who was in the top .000001 percent of any player who has ever bounced a basketball in their life. For every Magic there are a thousand 6'5"-6'9" players who couldn't guard Luke Ridnour if he were wearing flip-flops instead of hi-tops.

Just my opinion, of course.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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Date: 9/15/2008 10:39:59 PM
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easy there mate!

im just saying something im not agreeing but it doesnt mean i dont accept this things.

its already a part of our natural thing here in bb world.

im not here to argue, just sharing my thoughts

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Date: 9/16/2008 12:26:43 AM
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Me either and me too, mate.
Just pointing out why it is silly to use Magic as an example of anything that should be standard because he was anything but standard.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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Date: 9/16/2008 2:10:20 AM
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imagine if you have a good defensive guard that stands 6'9

well true true he is one of a kind!


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Date: 9/16/2008 8:03:16 AM
Talentinho
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High secondary skills will, indeed, speed up your training. Or to put it in another way, players with comparatively lower secondary skills will train their primary skills slower.


This is not the case! One fact does not include the other as it is not inverse. Unless you have this as a certain fact by BB. Training speed should not slow down because it is higher, it only states that lower secondary skills will speed up. Stating that primary skills will slow down is an induction you make from the first statement and it is not correct, unless the previously stated is incorrect.

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Date: 9/16/2008 8:54:33 AM
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now we are going somewhere with how training s progress

aside from data gathering here, what are the quite accurate assumptions we can grasp!

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Date: 9/16/2008 10:55:23 AM
Talentinho
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If I recall correctly, there was a guy that had asked a lot of people to help him start a full-scale research about training and training-progress. You were supposed to pass on all the skills of your player to him, as well as a weekly update on pops etc. I don't know if he continued his research or if there were to many people taking part. He would only publicate his results to the ones joining the research and providing stats. Don't know who it was or where he recruited people though... if he did succeed, all should be known by now!

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Date: 9/16/2008 10:58:04 AM
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High secondary skills will, indeed, speed up your training. Or to put it in another way, players with comparatively lower secondary skills will train their primary skills slower.


This is not the case! One fact does not include the other as it is not inverse. Unless you have this as a certain fact by BB. Training speed should not slow down because it is higher, it only states that lower secondary skills will speed up. Stating that primary skills will slow down is an induction you make from the first statement and it is not correct, unless the previously stated is incorrect.

The precise definition, the way I understand it: if you're training skill X, trainining will be somewhat slower if all other skills are comparatively low (as compared to the trained skill), and faster if all other skills are comparatively high (as compared to the main one). What slows down and speeds up depends on what you use as a basis for your comparison.

By extension, this works both ways: when you train a single skill, and everything else is left behind, then you train progressively slower as that skill runs further and further ahead of the other. Likewise, if you train a low secondary skill, you train faster since the primaries are way ahead.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 9/16/2008 11:07:08 AM
Talentinho
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High secondary skills will, indeed, speed up your training. Or to put it in another way, players with comparatively lower secondary skills will train their primary skills slower.




This is not the case! One fact does not include the other as it is not inverse. Unless you have this as a certain fact by BB. Training speed should not slow down because it is higher, it only states that lower secondary skills will speed up. Stating that primary skills will slow down is an induction you make from the first statement and it is not correct, unless the previously stated is incorrect.


The precise definition, the way I understand it: if you're training skill X, trainining will be somewhat slower if all other skills are comparatively low (as compared to the trained skill), and faster if all other skills are comparatively high (as compared to the main one). What slows down and speeds up depends on what you use as a basis for your comparison.

By extension, this works both ways: when you train a single skill, and everything else is left behind, then you train progressively slower as that skill runs further and further ahead of the other. Likewise, if you train a low secondary skill, you train faster since the primaries are way ahead.


This has, to my knowledge, never been stated. The only thing that has been stated is the fact that secondary skills speed up if they are far behind. Do you have any facts to back up these comments, or is it an (educated?) guess?

Last edited by 3point king at 9/16/2008 11:09:23 AM

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By extension, this works both ways: when you train a single skill, and everything else is left behind, then you train progressively slower as that skill runs further and further ahead of the other. Likewise, if you train a low secondary skill, you train faster since the primaries are way ahead.

This has, to my knowledge, never been stated. The only thing that has been stated is the fact that secondary skills speed up if they are far behind. Do you have any facts to back up these comments, or is it an (educated?) guess?
What is high and what is low is a relative concept. An inept skill can be high if everything else is atrocous. It will be 'less high' if everything else is awful.

That is, if you train, say, a low skill, it becomes progressively higher as compared to the other skills (even if it is still 'low' in a way) and as such its speed should slow down. Since it is difficult, if at all possible, to draw the line between what's high and what's low in absolute terms, I imagine it works in reverse in the other end.

I haven't directly posed the question as you put it to a BB, but what I have inferred is as I stated it. Obviously I have no direct knowledge of the training process, so the best I can do is speculate.

I hope this makes some sense. I am getting lost in it myself.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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