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From: Isaiah

To: Coco
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Date: 9/22/2013 9:57:55 PM
Smallfries
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Thanks for the question Coco.

The main goal during worlds is to build enthusiasm to be able to use it later on when it matters, such as semifinal and championship. I will have my sights on doing just that as the manager too so the first few games will be used to build that enthusiasm as well as analyze what we need to do for future games.

My overall plan would be to TIE the first round. If we can't do this then we can't consider ourselves one of the top NTs. Second round would continue to be used for building. However, many things come into play such as what record we advance with, GS, and future games.

You asked specifically for the first few games but let me know if you have questions about later games as well. Thanks for the question

From: Ruaidri

To: Coco
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Date: 9/23/2013 7:28:58 AM
Nightearls
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Build up enthousiasm is crucial to get far!

Only in the dark, we succeed!
From: magiker

To: Coco
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Date: 9/23/2013 10:42:13 AM
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It's very difficult to win anything without playing TIE for the first few games. Any more than 1 normal in the first round and you can usually kiss your chances goodbye. I was quite clear with my position to TIE the first game last season, despite the coaches decision to normal.

From: magiker

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Date: 9/23/2013 10:54:32 AM
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I'm certainly not the only person who knows anything. I'm not sure where you got that idea. If you're constantly analyzing our roster, why do you think that our current roster can play multiple tactics? We're very far away from that, and a quick glance at the roster should be enough to reach that conclusion.

I also said you don't seem to know the players we're up against because you think the best teams have unsustainable bigs with huge salaries. Again, a quick glance at the roster of Poland, CR, China, Slovensko, etc, shows you that thats's just not right. They have lower salaries, but significantly more skilled players. If you don't understand the problem, how can we be confident you'll fix it?

I do appreciate your effort to try new tactics with your club team, and to do some work testing the SB skill. Like my several seasons of out of position training, these are things we're going to need individual users to do and then relay their results to the NT community. The NT manager is going to need rely on input from others who have effectively run other tactics. So even if I win, I would appreciate you posting a bit more on the offsite about your results with tactics. Thanks.

From: magiker

To: SM
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Date: 9/23/2013 11:04:41 AM
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I'll try to be more clear. Making the semis is actually playing a semifinal match. Competing for a spot in the semis, means being one of the teams in competition to make that final semi spot. To be more specific, I think you can be "competing for a semi" if you're on the second round with a couple of wins. The goal is to at least make it exciting in the second round, and give us a chance at a semi.

Yes, I don't think it makes sense to normal 3 second round games to reach a semi. We're gonna need to take risks, and playing TIE for most of the tournament is a little risk that I think makes sense to take. The goal won't be a semi. I'll be a content with our progress if we get some second round wins.

Another note, is that might change based on the new guessing game that we'll have next season. Depending on how large the factor is, this could help us. We weren't going to compete with the best teams still going LI/M2M, but maybe this gives us a better chance. Gives us another opportunity to take some small risks in games where we're an underdog. Maybe with some good tactics, roster choices, and some good planning for guessing, we could get a few extra wins that what I was planning.

Thanks.

From: Isaiah

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Date: 9/23/2013 12:44:37 PM
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I am aware of the opposition's bigs and how they are more skilled with low salary. However, we have had two options in the past of either creating players like them(which we aren't there) or create huge salary bigs, which is innefficiant). Neither of those options has worked for us yet, so in comes the creation of players for other tactics. Thats where I stand on this. I think our best option is to try other forms of players, especially now that it is even more important to mix things up.


As for if you win the election, I will of course put my info and opinions out there, as long as they are acknowledged and not ignored because if they are ignored then I see no point in stating them. Also, should I win this election, I still hope you have an active part in the NT community like you have been for the past several seasons.

In the end I think our goals will match up and we will get to where we need to be in the next few seasons, which is compete and win a worlds gold trophy.

From: Tangosz

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Date: 9/23/2013 2:12:29 PM
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I am aware of the opposition's bigs and how they are more skilled with low salary. However, we have had two options in the past of either creating players like them(which we aren't there) or create huge salary bigs, which is innefficiant). Neither of those options has worked for us yet, so in comes the creation of players for other tactics. Thats where I stand on this. I think our best option is to try other forms of players, especially now that it is even more important to mix things up.


This would be a lot easier to swallow if you had followed through on training players like Elwood Crawford or Daniel Juarez (or kept training Wofford, and if you can actually continue training Smeall). Instead, you didn't even inform the offsite that you were gonna sell Crawford and Juarez. Do you acknowledge that you are part of the problem you are describing?

And I still don't understand how if we cannot succeed in creating players for LI-probably the best understood tactics in the game- that we'll succeed in creating players for other tactics. And are you abandoning your shotblocking experiment on your team, and if so, how does that impact your stance on what kind of player builds are feasible. Lastly, will you ever post some serious analysis of your shotblocking "study". [team=XXX]

From: Ruaidri
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Date: 9/23/2013 3:44:57 PM
Nightearls
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I read a lot of personal attacks, while in my believe a NT manager has to unite.

If team USA want to compete for the world title, players need 140 and more skillpoints. This means a lot and long training. Or one side trained monsters with salaries that no team in the world can pay out for long.

To get well trained all-round skilled players a country has to unite and help each other!

Only in the dark, we succeed!
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Date: 9/23/2013 3:47:18 PM
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To get well trained all-round skilled players a country has to unite and help each other!


Or open a bunch of Chinese farm accou....

I mean, um, show extraordinary dedication.

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Date: 9/23/2013 3:49:40 PM
Nightearls
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I have never been to China, but if you get there soon, please open a couple of farms......

Only in the dark, we succeed!
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