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Date: 9/16/2008 8:54:33 AM
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now we are going somewhere with how training s progress

aside from data gathering here, what are the quite accurate assumptions we can grasp!

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Date: 9/16/2008 10:55:23 AM
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If I recall correctly, there was a guy that had asked a lot of people to help him start a full-scale research about training and training-progress. You were supposed to pass on all the skills of your player to him, as well as a weekly update on pops etc. I don't know if he continued his research or if there were to many people taking part. He would only publicate his results to the ones joining the research and providing stats. Don't know who it was or where he recruited people though... if he did succeed, all should be known by now!

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Date: 9/16/2008 10:58:04 AM
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High secondary skills will, indeed, speed up your training. Or to put it in another way, players with comparatively lower secondary skills will train their primary skills slower.


This is not the case! One fact does not include the other as it is not inverse. Unless you have this as a certain fact by BB. Training speed should not slow down because it is higher, it only states that lower secondary skills will speed up. Stating that primary skills will slow down is an induction you make from the first statement and it is not correct, unless the previously stated is incorrect.

The precise definition, the way I understand it: if you're training skill X, trainining will be somewhat slower if all other skills are comparatively low (as compared to the trained skill), and faster if all other skills are comparatively high (as compared to the main one). What slows down and speeds up depends on what you use as a basis for your comparison.

By extension, this works both ways: when you train a single skill, and everything else is left behind, then you train progressively slower as that skill runs further and further ahead of the other. Likewise, if you train a low secondary skill, you train faster since the primaries are way ahead.

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Date: 9/16/2008 11:07:08 AM
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High secondary skills will, indeed, speed up your training. Or to put it in another way, players with comparatively lower secondary skills will train their primary skills slower.




This is not the case! One fact does not include the other as it is not inverse. Unless you have this as a certain fact by BB. Training speed should not slow down because it is higher, it only states that lower secondary skills will speed up. Stating that primary skills will slow down is an induction you make from the first statement and it is not correct, unless the previously stated is incorrect.


The precise definition, the way I understand it: if you're training skill X, trainining will be somewhat slower if all other skills are comparatively low (as compared to the trained skill), and faster if all other skills are comparatively high (as compared to the main one). What slows down and speeds up depends on what you use as a basis for your comparison.

By extension, this works both ways: when you train a single skill, and everything else is left behind, then you train progressively slower as that skill runs further and further ahead of the other. Likewise, if you train a low secondary skill, you train faster since the primaries are way ahead.


This has, to my knowledge, never been stated. The only thing that has been stated is the fact that secondary skills speed up if they are far behind. Do you have any facts to back up these comments, or is it an (educated?) guess?

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By extension, this works both ways: when you train a single skill, and everything else is left behind, then you train progressively slower as that skill runs further and further ahead of the other. Likewise, if you train a low secondary skill, you train faster since the primaries are way ahead.

This has, to my knowledge, never been stated. The only thing that has been stated is the fact that secondary skills speed up if they are far behind. Do you have any facts to back up these comments, or is it an (educated?) guess?
What is high and what is low is a relative concept. An inept skill can be high if everything else is atrocous. It will be 'less high' if everything else is awful.

That is, if you train, say, a low skill, it becomes progressively higher as compared to the other skills (even if it is still 'low' in a way) and as such its speed should slow down. Since it is difficult, if at all possible, to draw the line between what's high and what's low in absolute terms, I imagine it works in reverse in the other end.

I haven't directly posed the question as you put it to a BB, but what I have inferred is as I stated it. Obviously I have no direct knowledge of the training process, so the best I can do is speculate.

I hope this makes some sense. I am getting lost in it myself.

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Date: 9/16/2008 7:16:33 PM
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truth is i cant understand it either,

because i used to train a skills that is high already but that skill pops faster for that certain player,

example is when i got him his best asset was OD, when im training OD he pops the fastest but if i train other skills he is the slowest to pop

i encounter this way to often

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Date: 9/16/2008 7:16:58 PM
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You might be getting lost, but I do understand the point you are trying to make. However, I do not see why skills would decline in upgrading speed if they are relatively higher. I do totally get your absolute/relative point, however I took it as an assumption from previous statements that there is a advantage if a skill is a lot lower than other skills. The point I was trying to make, was that stating it could be inversed is incorrect. So, to wrap it up, I know what you're trying to say and I disagree until proven otherwise. (However I don't think training slows down when 1 skill is way above the rest, on an absolute base, but given the fact that training speeds up if secondary skills are lower would automatically mean that there is a 'relative advantage'. Furthermore, if we start inducing from that point, it could possibly be said that a way to make sure you don't get hit by the potential cap, would mean if certain skills are way up there, even though training slows down when you reach the cap, it is compensated because of the improved training speed if skills are way down to others.)

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Date: 9/16/2008 8:42:58 PM
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Training is designed so that if a skill is markedly higher than the others, that skill will experience a training slowdown until the other skills catch up.

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Date: 9/16/2008 11:10:15 PM
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then how come when i was training a former rookie

who initially is best at OD, when i train OD he can even get consiquent pops but when i train other skills such as JS, JR, Passing etc it so slow to see results compare to that skills of his ?

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Date: 9/18/2008 6:43:46 AM
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Sorry if I am a few days late to read this, but all subsequent posts seem to have overlooked what I believe to be the most important part of your data:

Training JR for PG/SG, only player 3 gets up to 48 min. on every weeks, others plays 40 to 50 min


So the main flaw in your training may be that you only have ONE player getting the required 48 minutes for training every week (and he's 6'5"). This data would be far more informative if you had 4 players getting 48min/wk.

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