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Riviera had a salary of about $108K when I brought him a few seasons ago, when his salary drops to $50K in a few seasons time, would the $108K figure still be the figure that is used in calculations, even though his new current salary is only $50K?

His taxable salary will be $50k. I think the confusion was that folks were trying to say there won't be any negative exemptions, it'll just be his current salary.

Total Revenue: $ 186 012
Total Expenses: $ -154 193
Training Exemption: $ 40 292
Overextension: $ 0
Overextension Tax Rate: 50%
Overextension Tax Total: $ 0

I don't understand this tax. So please help me figure out what I would be paying?

If you didn't train up your players $40k and instead just bought them off the TL for their current price:

Total Revenue: $ 186 012
Total Expenses: $ -154 193
Training Exemption: $ 0
Overextension: $ 0
Overextension Tax Rate: 50%
Overextension Tax Total: $ 0

You wouldn't pay a dime because your expenses are lower than your revenue.

Let's say your expenses were $ -190 000 however.

With a) you would be exempt 40k and wouldn't pay tax. You would be safe from tax for up to ~226k.
With b) you would exceed your revenue by ~4k, so you would pay 50% on that which is ~2k for a total of ~6k.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/28/2013 10:18:27 PM

Am I the only one who thinks this tax changes nothing in regards to teams buying championships?
All we accomplished is the teams buying championships will have at least had to train a couple of their players. In fact this change makes it easier to do so; spend a couple seasons training and build your bank and a nice exemption then buy a title that the other idiot who didn't train can no longer afford. Yay

And why is everyone so excited for this when it doesn't affect teams that are profitable? Is every poster in this thread running a team in the red or are you all just excited at the idea of how easy it will be to buy a championship when your trainees and bank are ready for the big push?

I see no benefit from this. it simply changes who will take advantage of the system rather than tackling the root cause.
And fyi for those that will attack me, I have a 90k training exemption so this would benefit me greatly and I still think its a worthless change.

Nice analysis. I too fail to see what the big deal is about this change. Many of us have asked for some things that will actually help managers, things like auto-bidding and more rewards for the teams that consistently produce and maintain well-run successful clubs. This does neither.

And now I see that because I had such a shitty opening night crowd—for no reason whatsoever—I'm ticketed for an "overextension" tax, what BS! If this kind of "stuff" is supposed to help bring in new managers—and help keep us oldtimers—BB might be in for a rude awakening.

$13 for a bleachers ticket does seem eccessive IMO for an arena of that size and for a team that has no promotion bonus

the reason your argument can be attacked is because it assumes the "root" problem is some sort on lack of democracy in winning. Maybe you think the game should be set to allow everybody to win now and then.

It is GOOD for the game that managers that ACTUALLY train their guys win. Why would that be a bad thing? It is GOOD reasoning that profitable teams actually have the better chance at winning. I have a 103k tax exemption [I'm in green pastures now, so no need to use the exemption] and will gladly take a -50k tax-free economic flow when the push for the championship comes. I have a big arena, with great prices, plus great employees with specialties, and I would definitively NOT feel good about a dumb manager with a 6000-seats arena that will only buy some 100k salary dude to knock it off from time to time. True: this tax won't eliminate those managers [nobody can be idealist enough to believe that] but it will make their cycle of runs harder and perharps you can say some will just abandon the game or get into a more competitive managing.

I don't mind with "the same people" winning always. What I do mind are the reasons why they do it. I know guys in D.I that at the offseason will change basically their entire starting five, and maybe even all the bench. High salary players, going cheaper now in the market, will always be available for them [suppose these players have no tax exemption]. BUT will also be available for ME. So if these guys have to pay 50 cents for every dollar they overextend, I find that quite good. Actually, I would institue a REPEATER penalty: If you pay at any time in a season OT, then next season, goes for 75%, and so on, something similar to the repeater penalty progression in the NBA new CBA.

And for that team manager that thinks he's the Brooklyn Nets or the New York Yankees, well, I wish you good luck and hope you go play something else in the near future.

yours is included) and we will write soon a post answering officially to all of these so please be a little patient

Thankyou

It is GOOD reasoning that profitable teams actually have the better chance at winning.

My point exactly so not sure why the hell you are attacking me. This change doesnt help profitable teams in the slightest. In fact, all it does is encourage teams who have trained players (something I support regardless of what your ill-advised statements suggest) to tank/bank while training and then overspend (or buy if you will) a championship.

Maybe you think the game should be set to allow everybody to win now and then.

Please do not attempt to put words in my mouth, particularly ones as moronic as that. I fully support the managers who put in the time and effort and do what is necessary to build a sustainable winning franchise season after season. Look at King Drive Ballers for example. 5 NBBA (USA Div I) championships 3 time runner up, 9 USA cup wins 3 time runner up, and has made the B3 quarterfinals 3 times in the last 4 seasons. I have nothing against him and dont wish to see any rules that would be detrimental to them simply because they would help a lower division team such as myself. So again, do not think I think the game should be structured so everyone can win "from time to time" as that is moronic and defeats the purpose of competition.

Back to my original statements:

Is every poster in this thread running a team in the red or are you all just excited at the idea of how easy it will be to buy a championship when your trainees and bank are ready for the big push?

To which you reply:

I have a 103k tax exemption [I'm in green pastures now, so no need to use the exemption] and will gladly take a -50k tax-free economic flow when the push for the championship comes.

So the short answer is yes. You are simply excited for your opportunity to exploit the rules for personal gain rather than the betterment of BB as a whole. Right on dude.

I believe I was correct and will reiterate...

I see no benefit from this. it simply changes who will take advantage of the system rather than tackling the root cause.