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252784.75 in reply to 252784.53
Date: 12/28/2013 10:03:05 PM
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Total Revenue: $ 186 012
Total Expenses: $ -154 193
Training Exemption: $ 40 292
Overextension: $ 0
Overextension Tax Rate: 50%
Overextension Tax Total: $ 0

I don't understand this tax. So please help me figure out what I would be paying?

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252784.76 in reply to 252784.75
Date: 12/28/2013 10:17:05 PM
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If you didn't train up your players $40k and instead just bought them off the TL for their current price:

Total Revenue: $ 186 012
Total Expenses: $ -154 193
Training Exemption: $ 0
Overextension: $ 0
Overextension Tax Rate: 50%
Overextension Tax Total: $ 0

You wouldn't pay a dime because your expenses are lower than your revenue.

Let's say your expenses were $ -190 000 however.

With a) you would be exempt 40k and wouldn't pay tax. You would be safe from tax for up to ~226k.
With b) you would exceed your revenue by ~4k, so you would pay 50% on that which is ~2k for a total of ~6k.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/28/2013 10:18:27 PM

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252784.77 in reply to 252784.76
Date: 12/28/2013 11:04:23 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks this tax changes nothing in regards to teams buying championships?
All we accomplished is the teams buying championships will have at least had to train a couple of their players. In fact this change makes it easier to do so; spend a couple seasons training and build your bank and a nice exemption then buy a title that the other idiot who didn't train can no longer afford. Yay

And why is everyone so excited for this when it doesn't affect teams that are profitable? Is every poster in this thread running a team in the red or are you all just excited at the idea of how easy it will be to buy a championship when your trainees and bank are ready for the big push?

I see no benefit from this. it simply changes who will take advantage of the system rather than tackling the root cause.
And fyi for those that will attack me, I have a 90k training exemption so this would benefit me greatly and I still think its a worthless change.

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252784.78 in reply to 252784.77
Date: 12/29/2013 9:38:25 AM
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Nice analysis. I too fail to see what the big deal is about this change. Many of us have asked for some things that will actually help managers, things like auto-bidding and more rewards for the teams that consistently produce and maintain well-run successful clubs. This does neither.

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252784.79 in reply to 252784.78
Date: 12/29/2013 9:43:15 AM
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And now I see that because I had such a shitty opening night crowd—for no reason whatsoever—I'm ticketed for an "overextension" tax, what BS! If this kind of "stuff" is supposed to help bring in new managers—and help keep us oldtimers—BB might be in for a rude awakening.

Pappy
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252784.80 in reply to 252784.79
Date: 12/29/2013 10:46:42 AM
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$13 for a bleachers ticket does seem eccessive IMO for an arena of that size and for a team that has no promotion bonus

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252784.82 in reply to 252784.77
Date: 12/29/2013 3:24:09 PM
Petrosian Club Montevideo
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the reason your argument can be attacked is because it assumes the "root" problem is some sort on lack of democracy in winning. Maybe you think the game should be set to allow everybody to win now and then.

It is GOOD for the game that managers that ACTUALLY train their guys win. Why would that be a bad thing? It is GOOD reasoning that profitable teams actually have the better chance at winning. I have a 103k tax exemption [I'm in green pastures now, so no need to use the exemption] and will gladly take a -50k tax-free economic flow when the push for the championship comes. I have a big arena, with great prices, plus great employees with specialties, and I would definitively NOT feel good about a dumb manager with a 6000-seats arena that will only buy some 100k salary dude to knock it off from time to time. True: this tax won't eliminate those managers [nobody can be idealist enough to believe that] but it will make their cycle of runs harder and perharps you can say some will just abandon the game or get into a more competitive managing.

I don't mind with "the same people" winning always. What I do mind are the reasons why they do it. I know guys in D.I that at the offseason will change basically their entire starting five, and maybe even all the bench. High salary players, going cheaper now in the market, will always be available for them [suppose these players have no tax exemption]. BUT will also be available for ME. So if these guys have to pay 50 cents for every dollar they overextend, I find that quite good. Actually, I would institue a REPEATER penalty: If you pay at any time in a season OT, then next season, goes for 75%, and so on, something similar to the repeater penalty progression in the NBA new CBA.

And for that team manager that thinks he's the Brooklyn Nets or the New York Yankees, well, I wish you good luck and hope you go play something else in the near future.

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252784.83 in reply to 252784.81
Date: 12/29/2013 6:17:42 PM
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yours is included) and we will write soon a post answering officially to all of these so please be a little patient



Thankyou

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252784.84 in reply to 252784.82
Date: 12/30/2013 2:31:23 AM
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It is GOOD reasoning that profitable teams actually have the better chance at winning.


My point exactly so not sure why the hell you are attacking me. This change doesnt help profitable teams in the slightest. In fact, all it does is encourage teams who have trained players (something I support regardless of what your ill-advised statements suggest) to tank/bank while training and then overspend (or buy if you will) a championship.

Maybe you think the game should be set to allow everybody to win now and then.

Please do not attempt to put words in my mouth, particularly ones as moronic as that. I fully support the managers who put in the time and effort and do what is necessary to build a sustainable winning franchise season after season. Look at King Drive Ballers for example. 5 NBBA (USA Div I) championships 3 time runner up, 9 USA cup wins 3 time runner up, and has made the B3 quarterfinals 3 times in the last 4 seasons. I have nothing against him and dont wish to see any rules that would be detrimental to them simply because they would help a lower division team such as myself. So again, do not think I think the game should be structured so everyone can win "from time to time" as that is moronic and defeats the purpose of competition.

Back to my original statements:
Is every poster in this thread running a team in the red or are you all just excited at the idea of how easy it will be to buy a championship when your trainees and bank are ready for the big push?

To which you reply:
I have a 103k tax exemption [I'm in green pastures now, so no need to use the exemption] and will gladly take a -50k tax-free economic flow when the push for the championship comes.

So the short answer is yes. You are simply excited for your opportunity to exploit the rules for personal gain rather than the betterment of BB as a whole. Right on dude.

I believe I was correct and will reiterate...
I see no benefit from this. it simply changes who will take advantage of the system rather than tackling the root cause.



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252784.85 in reply to 252784.84
Date: 12/30/2013 4:46:45 AM
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First, I'm not attacking you, "dude". I attack your particular reasoning here.

Second, the flaw in your point resides in thinking that "managers like me who are about to exploit this rule for 'personal gain'" [nevermind that it is REALLY moronic to think a sim sport game like BB offers some sort of "communal" gain or any gain other than the personal, but whatever] is not equivalent to "the betterment of BB". It has no base. Perhaps it would fit the argument if you please explained that SO SELF-EVIDENT thing called "the betterment of BB".

Third, what was the crime about "personal gain"? Are you some sort of the BB-Gandhi? My "personal gain" here is to have fun playing this game; I'm not clinically depressed just because a rookie went banking on a fellow I was bidding for, nope, not at all. Yes, I seek personal gains, thank you, Mr. Gandhi for defending the game "as a whole" and calling me out for being "egotistical" about it.

Fourth, you see,to train players doesn't imply sine qua non "to tank/bank"; you could actually tank/bank better without training, since you don't have to spend on draft points or trainer [salary, plus the bid for any decent one; plus if you have a trainee mildly decent in upper divisions you need at least a lvl 5] I know many old managers who have spent some serious time in DI -my country has an effective 3-division playing field- and have developed NT players without tanking/banking; besides, what's the problem with "banking"? I didn't know that to have a good economic surplus, so you can buy a tough 150k center or point guard, was against the "betterment" of BB. You -or whoever- horde money, so what? You call for "betterment" of BB but nobody knows what you mean here, since you just throw it like if it was a self-evident argument. And "the root cause"? The root cause for what? For the "betterment" of BB? What would make BB better and why, that is the question you plant here on the fly, like if it would have such an obvious one-issue answer.

For me, the OT doesn't do ANYTHING, so I take no personal direct advantage from it. I built my arena, trained my guys, have my balance, and have fun playing it. When I'll be all good to fight promotion [I might be, but I want to finish the training of my guys], I will hire some decent free agent gentleman, or reshape the roster, etc, etc, no big deal: this will cost me just equally as if there were no OT in the first place. Of course, I will be happy when rookies destroy their team by overexpending or short-rivals start paying extra 50 cents for every red dollar, so, yes, the system will favor me, it will "change" who benefits from it: from the rookies/dumb-managers/short-term guys it will change to guys like me, who spend in the draft, bid for staff employees and find satisfaction in training at least some U21 gentleman. What's the problem with that? Why is that not equivalent to "a better BB"?

Any more arguing is senseless at this point [or at least in these parameters]. I think there are bigger issues to make BB better than this OT. Besides, I don't remember the BBs and the GMs saying this OT reform was some sort of the-mother-of-all-reforms. It's a reform, a good one -in my view-, a game changer?, maybe, perhaps not. It will benefit me indirectly, and I like it. But, please, don't play the Mandela game here.

Now, I find, e.g., more important the problem of disbalance between few-teams countries against highly populated countries. Some of the former have basically 4, 5, 6 players in DI, and you can check their transfer balances and they run in the red ink for zillions of money; while, for the latter, you can find very competitive managers all the way to DV. To me, these two type of countries just play entirely different games of BuzzerBeater. Another issue, farm teams. Etc, etc. I think those issues have more weight into the "betterment of BB" business, which you seem quite good at it, than the supposedly self-evident "root cause" of yours.

Last edited by petrosian at 12/30/2013 4:53:22 AM

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