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But in the meantime, we need a way to train versatile players without having to put them out of position or water down the training while training at least 2 or 3 players at the same time.

My comment on this point, which has been made a few times in this thread. Multi-skilled players are way better than 3-4 skilled players. While it is true that you do take a hit at the beginning of a SF training regime (the first 2 seasons, max), eventually your team is much better off. It is not reflected in the ratings, but you do see it in the pts per 100 shots and the final score.

The playing out of position bit is being way over-exaggerated, and is probably being propagated by players who are not SF trainers. My best player is supposedly a "PF". However, he has outclassed guards 2-3 times his salary a few times this season.

Not to mention that my team now has enormous flexibility. That same "PF" can play any position on the court and get pretty much the same rating.

You also appear to be able to play backups and win your league games.

If i do that I can plan for a loss. As leagues become more competitive from the top down, current SF training will become even more difficult.

Look at the national teams, it's become a tactical guessing game as just about every country has roster that can field and inside team and a decent outside team. There's still very few players that are actually better at SF then they would be at some other position.

Last edited by brian at 1/6/2009 9:00:06 PM

"Multi-skilled players are way better than 3-4 skilled players."

3 or 4 is sort of "multi", no?

"The playing out of position bit is being way over-exaggerated, and is probably being propagated by players who are not SF trainers."

For the record, my best player is a SF. (He's Eric Paz, you can out my roster to verify this.) And count me as a non-exaggerating propagator, you exaggerating non-propagator! Don't make brianjames have to make some robots and program them to injure you SF's favorite knee!

"Multi-skilled players are way better than 3-4 skilled players."

3 or 4 is sort of "multi", no?

Not really. 3 or 4 well-developped primary skills is the sanitary minimum for just about any position. Players with less than that generally classify as useless.

I know more about NBA prolly than you can imagine;)
If Charles Barkley would play at SG then John Paxson could easily guard him. Not everyone can play any position. Pay attention... C and PG are the so called edge positions and players on those positions can prolly play 1-2 spots on the floor (yes there are exeptions). 5.10 pg can not really play post but he can easily play SG spot. 7.00 C can not play the PG spot but he can easily play PF.
So back to my point SF is an all around position and can be played by all around players (multitalented) or SG-s or PF-s.

If your SF can not play SG or PF then I suggest that you train 3 spots or buy a better SF. All this topic seems to focus on is make the game easier. Yes training is not exactly like in the real world but it works fine. You can choose what to do. Takes more time to make an all around team. Don't make it like "wow" where whiners made the game so easy that hardcore players are left with no challenge at all. You can play wow with eyes closed now and not die.

NB!: Bird and Celtics were the best:) "Magic" Johnson was even better in all around games than Jordan. Sorry I shatterd your dream:D

the problem is not if our SF can play SG or PF but why he must play SG or PF to take training, this is the point.

You do not have to play them out of position, you have trainings for SF at their own position. Yes some of them are 3 pos trainings but that's the challenge of the game. You want faster training you must play out of position (so faster progress = perhaps some losses or game shape loss) or in scrimmage.

no no no wait. 3 pos of training is absurd, I have not created my SF with 3 position training.

You just owned yourself. I hope you realise that:)

As leagues become more competitive from the top down, current SF training will become even more difficult.

Let the lower league teams train the gun SF's & the higher league teams can buy them - all about sacrifice & deciding what is important for you in BB

You can do some pretty good damage with a SF that has good IS and little else playing look inside.