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New inside zone or fix 2-3.

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From: Marot
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181900.78 in reply to 181900.76
Date: 5/5/2011 6:54:17 AM
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We are boosting IS and OD so high that there is hardly any chance that we will be able to counter them wit normal levels of ID and SB.


And you don't think people are training JS high? The only difference is when defending against it you can just hit 3-2 and get a big boost to your outside defence.



True, i know some teams in B3 that has 2 or 3 players with JS over 20, but the difference is that with a 3-2+ high OD's they can be countered, but if you face so high IS's there's nothing you can do with 2-3, the only thing it's to defend m2m.


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We are facing different problems with the 2-3;

A) I don't think is reasonable we need top players to play with 2-3, there aren't other zones with this high levels needs and you can play 3-2 without problems or 1-3-1 in some cases.

B) Most of the problems of the 2-3 is that even if you have a great OD in the PG-SG-SF, it's so huge the lose of OD that most of the times makes you lose the game, letting easy shots for the opponent outside players.
I can understand that if you play 2-3 the outside players help to defend in inside, but helping doesn't mean leaving the paint undefended



Please fix the 2-3, we don't ask make it stronger, we just ask a balanced inside zone.


Fix 2-3 or make a new inside zone.

Last edited by Marot at 5/5/2011 6:55:23 AM

From: Marot

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181900.80 in reply to 181900.79
Date: 5/5/2011 7:29:41 AM
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So let me ask you then how many teams in the B3 has 3x 20 ID to put up in a 2-3 zone?


That's a nice theory, but in practice doesn't work because as i said(some lines above if you read) you lose lot of OD playing 2-3 and if you want to put a PF playing as a SF if he has 20 ID he can't have much OD.

And i repeat again why you need TOP players to run a 2-3 when in other zones that's not the case. You don't need for example if you run a 3-2 a player with OD 20 and ID 13(to cover some drivings).



From: Rycka

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181900.82 in reply to 181900.80
Date: 5/5/2011 8:36:22 AM
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you lose lot of OD playing 2-3


but you gain lots of id and rebounds advantage when playing 2-3. and with 3-2 you lose that.

From: Marot

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181900.84 in reply to 181900.83
Date: 5/5/2011 9:52:18 AM
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As it seems he thinks it's ok to lose RB from a 3-2 zone


Are you sure? If i don't remember bad, JK said that with 3-2 you don't lose rebound.

You gain some and you lose some


The problem of the 2-3 is that you lose OD, you also can't stop his inside centers and the few rebounds you can pick, yes theres a bonus on rebound, but if the ID doesn't work well then winning some rebound doesn't matter.

playing man man that may not be as effective as if you did the right choice but may not be such a difference as if you chose the wrong zone


M2M is by far the best defense in this game, in global terms. It's not about predicting where the opponent can attack you and surprise, it's just that 3-2 works really good against an outside team and 2-3 is just an epic fail against inside ones...





Last edited by Marot at 5/5/2011 9:54:06 AM

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181900.86 in reply to 181900.75
Date: 5/5/2011 3:00:55 PM
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My argument, at least, is that there remains a window of possibility that 2-3's ineffectiveness is caused by the wrong players being used, not the GE being broken.

We're not asking "does it work or not?" We all agree that with current popular builds, the 2-3 is ineffective at best. The next question is "Why is this so?" and to assume that the answer must be "2-3 is broken" is irresponsible.

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181900.87 in reply to 181900.86
Date: 5/5/2011 3:03:42 PM
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when the new ge was introduced, you heard nearly the same about inside attack and that you just could attack outside quite a while. When i read this they was proven wrong, but the players was also created to stop outside attacks ;)

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