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The Decision has been made: We are going to have a second team feature!

The specifics are still being discussed, so I can't reveal too much about it, but what I can say is that it's going to be a Utopia style kind of league, created as a new, 99th country. We plan on implementing it as soon as possible, maybe even next season, even though, I believe, a more realistic implementation date is the season after that. We will also release the specifics as soon as we can, and boy, there will be some surprises. I guess we can forget most of the things mentioned in the original post, as this is something completely different, with a whole new set of rules and restrictions. We believe you will like it and will feel as excited about it as we all are.

Also, we believe this discussion has helped a lot in shaping the feature, and we find it a great asset in feeling the pulse of our community by making sure all concerns have been heard and taken into consideration. Even though, I must admit, at times it was hard keeping track of all things said. Nevertheless, thank you all for your participation.

You do understand that by actually listening to users and taking their wishes into consideration, you're setting a dangerous standard of competence and service that people might actually come to expect? I think it would be wise indeed for you to accidentally have training run three days late and on the wrong positions next week so expectations can be reset to more reasonable levels! ;)

Seriously, though, this is awesome. It's exceptionally encouraging that you're taking a path that is absolutely going to require more work but that is only probably better for the game but certainly appeared to be more popular with the users. [edit: although, of course, like most change, it was only popular until it became announced, as people always want things to change but never want the changes that actually happen]. I only regret I only have two hands with with to give thumbs up!

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 2/14/2014 11:05:52 AM

30% for second teams in micronations
15% for an Utopia country within BB
15% for an Utopia server
40% against the second team

if that is the case the decision makes even less sense. why would you choose the utopia route if a big problem of the game (aka lack of players in micronations) still gets ignored?
I mean BB wants to sell a product, so they should ask themselves why a supporter would pay for another private league and why a non supporter would pay for a second private league if he did not pay for the first one?

My supporter runs out in May and I am still waiting for an argument to renew it. Private leagues never were and never will be of any interest to me. :/

just my 2 cents

Here's an idea: everyone just wait to see the specifics and how it's implemented before jumping off a cliff like lemmings over this decision. Not a supporter, but willing to be one if I agree with the implementation and the details. Wait and see. Not the end of the BB world because Marin posted a decision that even said the details were being worked out. Just my two cents.

Thanks, Marin. I was in support of this supporter nation from the start, and I agree it's the best way to implement this feature.

Still haven't heard a good argument against it. If you've got one, I'd love to hear it.

1. Doesn't solve micro nation problem. Let's say I'm very generous and there are 1000 supporters. With almost 100 countries, each country would get on average 10 more users if we let second teams in existing countries. Wow! That would have solved the problem! The only way the original solution was going to help active users in micro nations was to allow them to set up another team in a more competitive country. They can still do that.

2. Wanted to have a second team in a micro nation. Why? You do realize that's part of the problem they're trying to fix. Perhaps it's personal preference and that's fine, but it seems like the majority of users are looking for something more competitive (99th country) rather than less competitive.

3. Having a team in a 99th country is like a private league. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

3. Having a team in a 99th country is like a private league. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Precisely. A private league is a vehicle in which you can test out various lineup strategies with your existing roster; a new team in a new country would allow you to try out new team-building strategies instead. It's a wholly different beast.

I don't like Utopia. It's just like the PL for me....But, something is better than nothing.

Lopo, this is a game, and i want to simply relax when i play. 2nd team in Micro is not only "i love to win easy", but is also "ok, few users, less competition". If i want to relax in Italy, i have to demote. Simply. Or i need luck to have 3 bots during season. At least in III/II div. A promotion, in a well developed and experienced div, costs at least 50k-80k per week more than your incomes. As example, in my leagues 2 seasons ago 2 teams had more than 400k salaries. An injury didn't allow one to promote, he rebuilds all the team and reaches promotion with 620k salaries.
3/4 seasons ago a players reaches promotion because he's a daytrader, so he can afford more salary.
I'm not ask tanking, but simply a less pressure when i play. And Supporterland will not help me for having this kind of game.

I haven't said anything about "I love to win easy" or any other different reason to enjoy playing in small leagues, but this is an unrealistic vision, which ignores the fact that if you suddenly add hundreds or thousands of new teams to the micronations...micronations doesn't exist anymore. That's my point, nothing else.

i've searched all this time Marin's posts in this topic and he never talk about fullfill micros adding thousands (are the supporter more than 3% of the users? probably after this link with the betting site, not before) of new teams in the same league or in a group of it. He spoke about limits, strong limits. I calculated that 55 countries are under 100 users and they represents only less than 5% of total users and every supporter, if needed to "fight" against micro's problem, should reach one of this 55 (55!! not 10-12.... more than half of countries)... and i'm still convinced about not so much guys will buy supporter for 2nd team. We will have a month, or two, or three, where supporters increase, then, after one complete season, the lucky/brave/better ones which obtain promotion will mantain supporterand 2nd team, others MAY mantain supporter but i'm enough sure they will left his 2nd team... at least with actual perspective. And, now, due to this 99th country, i hope they can't interfere with normal transfert list, because it may become only a simple increase of pricing of every player...

like Joe Bastianich speak here in Italy, BB-marin, this time "Mi Stai Diludendo"

My two cents: The thing for me wouldve been the games and forums of another country... Like people already pointed out, Utopia doesnt feel real enough to invest time in, its more or less a private league with new players.
Still appriciate the effort in trying to broaden the game though.