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I cannot do anything but repeating myself when all of you just repeating the same questions...

1) Your first part is the same thing written and answer more than I don't know how much...
It is not complicated as I've already described the all auction process.

2)

Do you think this will put the new users in a disadvantage? Choose carefully. :-)

And again, the same Q...
It is like if you would ask regarding any part of the game.
Of course veteran has advantage on the game.

On the other hand, it will improve the current unfairness with current auction system that gives advantage to thos who just can get online whenever they can.

Look, I decided at this point, as I feel that I just receive the same Q and answer the same A, to just stop.
Read my message with 5 Q and A and if something is missing right a new argument.

Anyhow, I guess that one hour a day (and even less) is enough.

A team does go bot after 6 economic update. You are suggesting that this game should be equally playable for everyone. No just those who can log on whenever they want. Let's say a user can log on once a week. How can you make this game fair for him? Are you saying anyone that can not log in every day should not play this game? How can you expect a result in a discussion, when your starting theory is wrong and the outcome of your main claim is utopistic.

Realy, you are now trying to turn what I'm saying to suite you by taking them completely out of context. This is absurd.
BB is not dedicated to those who cna play it 24/7 as much as it is not dedicated to those who cna play it once a decade.
As I said, 1Hr a day (in non comiting time manner) is a lot, and gives opportunity to a lot more and exluding those who aren't realy playing the game.
And no, onlie auction is not the target for BB managing.

Does knowing english in general give you any advantage in this game?

Come on it is totaly not related to the subject.
To be able to play there are needs. Also having access to a PC will be at that list.
After a user has this basic ability to "play the game" (any game), the only thing matters is the game itself.
To play this game enough time a week is a reasonable definition for the game.
To be online whenever there is a need in a day for having the same abilities like others, is just not.

I don't like a game where you log in, push optimize button and log out. I like a game where I can influence things. Like: dealing with injuries (changing lineups), scouting opponents, choosing tactics, buying players. I don't need a comp to do those things for me.

It is just not what it implies (and I've already said that...).
You can continue the bid-wars after the auto-bid part ends, and due to the fact that currently the users that wnat a player and just cannot be part of the auction just put the max value they thought this player should cost, it doesn't affect you at all.

Besides that, again, as the game is not about auction expert (or more presicely it is not about seeing how much one can be dedicated to the game), it doesn't realy change a lot for you.
Again, that is true besides the face that you and a very narrow group of optional users will stop having this advantage that is not part of BB managing.

I for example have bought 5 players in the last year (real time) and 4 players in the year before that. That has forced me to be online at a specific time once per 81 days (shocker!). I have also lost a few bidwars, so actually I "have" to be online about once a month (at a specific time). Like I said, I bought my last player setting the bid in advance, so I was really not online, when my team bought him. I really do not see a problem in that. How can you say that TL (or BB auction as you call it) is the main thing in this game? IT'S NOT, so it's not a problem.

Does knowing english in general give you any advantage in this game?
Come on it is totaly not related to the subject. To be able to play there are needs. Also having access to a PC will be at that list. After a user has this basic ability to "play the game" (any game), the only thing matters is the game itself. To play this game enough time a week is a reasonable definition for the game. To be online whenever there is a need in a day for having the same abilities like others, is just not.

That's where you are wrong. Everyone who can understand english has an advantage, over anyone, who does not. Most of the important (educational) discussions take place in the english speaking forums. I got very few responces and most of them were wrong, from Estonian forums, when I started playing. I then read all the english forums and got answers to most of my questions. Isn't that an advantage? NB! How come everything you say is a fact and everything everyone else says is a bad example or not relevant. I think I have shown you, that there are plenty of things in this game, that give you advantages compared to different kind of users.
Creating an auto-bid makes the game easier for daytraders with excess funds. Eventually it will drive the prices higher. There prolly will be more bugs (examples: when auto-bid fails to register, or auto-bid fails to stop and spends more than it supposed to spend), we don't even know how badly the new algorithm might stress the already slow servers.
Like many here have stated. I like playing against humans, not computers. TL gives us that option. I love it that there can be human errors. Examples: forget myself reading the forums and miss out on a player I wanted to bid on, paying more than I should of paid and regretting it afterwords, etc.
What are we missing atm in TL? Nothing. We have a system where anyone can bid (if they have funds). You can always bid a sum, that you are willing to pay or think is enough and might get the player without additional bid. There are different strategys in TL, bid high early and scare off competition or wait till the last minute and try to get that player cheap, risking to be in a bidwar with a number of managers. I think a small reward in lower price (which is not always guaranteed) is ok for being able to be online when the auction ends. It's not a gamechanger by any means.
Auto-bid will create more hassle, raises prices, makes the game more automatic and brings no new gains to the TL. Looking at the average team transfer per year and looking at the players available on TL, for the average team, there is nothing that would imply, that you can not get a decent player at a time suitable for you. It might be harder for the top teams, but logging in once a month, to bid on that special player, is really not that stressful.
I think many of us have made the ultimate mistake of dragging this thread too long (obviously you disregard any facts but your own). We should have let this thread die out, like all of the other auto-bid threads. I am 99% sure BB's will not implement auto-bid system, atleast not based on this suggestion, because you have not made any (zero, zip, nada) new points in this thread. I will let my wife tie my hands now, so I could not respond to your messages any more:D I urge everyone else to do the same.

How can you say that TL (or BB auction as you call it) is the main thing in this game? IT'S NOT, so it's not a problem.

1) In case TL = Transfer List so what is it relevant to the auction process?
2) You are right - this game is not about BB auction!!! This is why there is no reason to give advantage at this field. Advantage that is not related to BB managing.

Like I said, I bought my last player setting the bid in advance, so I was really not online, when my team bought him.

So, you paid the max amount for that player, amount no body find worth it.
In other word - you out bid for that player.
As money is what allows oneimprove its team, this is just one example why it is needed!

Everyone who can understand english has an advantage, over anyone, who does not. Most of the important (educational) discussions take place in the english speaking forums.

What can I say... NOT RELVANT.
Giving examples of things that gives advantage to some users and claiming that this shows that "being unfair is fair" is just not making any sense.
1) Most of the users knows english good enough.
2) They should try to have translation for each forum and word written here, but this is not simple and it is very costly.

Creating an auto-bid makes the game easier for daytraders with excess funds

No it does not - the price reflects player's value.
How does it gives more advantage for "daytraders with excess funds" is just a mystery...

Eventually it will drive the prices higher

The other way around.
Plays like you wrote about - putting a value (not being online) that no one thought offering will not happen!

There prolly will be more bugs

Again, you are just digging for more excuses...
Coding is not relevant here - this is for the developers to prioritize and test before delivering.

I like playing against humans, not computers

Again... After the auto-bidding only online users will be allowed to bid, and as the value will not be higher from when someone decides (like you did) to put bid from start, it will most definately allow not less human bid-wars.

As the votes shows - it is NOT all but one caliming in favor or Auto-Bidding.
Moreover - whose who has less time for playing BB (and hence will support Auto-Bid system), will less likely lose their expansive BB time for suggestion forum.

You shouldn't be able to bid more than you have, so if the Auto Bid would take you over the available money you have you would be out of the bidding.

Seems pretty obvious for me.

Lock the Maximum Bids.

Say I put in a Max Bid 300,000.

You like the player, go to put in your Max Bid of 300,000. All it will say is "300,000 Bid already placed".

Now you have to make a decision... how much MORE are you willing to go. It didn't tell you 300,000 was the HIGHEST Auto Bid, just that the 300,000 Bid had already been placed. Did some one else bid 400,000? You don't know. All you know is 300,000 was bid already, and if you want a shot at this guy you need to pony up more than that.

Puts a ton of strategy into it, and I love not getting the Highest Current Max Bid. Why should I let you know the High Bid is 600,000? You weren't willing to go over 300,000 just a few seconds ago. So decide if you will bid the 300,000+ or not bid at all.

Point being, only ONE Player could be set at each Maximum Bid, and the Highest Max Bid would not be given. Even if your bid is allowed, you aren't sure if it's the Current High Bid.

Since no two people can place the same bid you no longer have to worry about 'Ties'.

Also, if you fall below the amount needed for your Bid at any time, your Bid is removed. That 'Max Bid' would then become available for new Bidders, if they happen to choose it. (They would have no way of knowing what the bid was, so they couldn't intentionally choose it).

Every time someone bought a player, it's because nobody wanted to pay more, so every time it was an outbid?

Seriously I don't know if you are serious by this question...
When someone is placing the last bid (and consequently wins it) but his bid is just the minimum requested above the previous bid (or something close to that) then it is most positively not an Over-Bid.

On the other hand, when a user cannot attend an auction so we puts an amount which is twice the value that player is worth (for example), then it is easily called overbidding.

And I believe you know that...

It would be the same with auto-bid, BUT computer would save you of your bad knowledge of the market, great...

It would be the same, comparing to the first case - meaning the player will not over-bid by this system!
It would not be the same like the second case.
Meaning - those who cannot be at the specific time of the auction, but knows they want that player will not be unfairly in worse position for that bid.
It has nothing to do with "knowing the market", it has all to do of removing unreasonable advantage that has nothing to do with the game.

I do agree that you may be right at one point - a user that is unfamilar with the market (which is part of the game), may just try bidding between the current price until whatever value he chooses. Only that this is true also in current system...
So, auto-bid does not change status regarding that, but...

Maybe there is a need to define another feature that will limit amount of bidding (in both systems) per user, for example - the highest bid a user put should not be more than twice the first bid he gaved for that auction.
Again - this has nothing to do with the auction system used.

Many players here aren't able to speak in their own language and you think most of them speak English ?
About translation, you should talk to LA-Wolph, it should be funny to read.

So???
It would be more fair in case the language (which is not what the game is about) wouldn't be an issue here, but it ain't so, and would require enormous work.
It is a limitation for the BB comunity growing, but it is far less limiting than the Auction system, and much more complex to fix.
Anyhow, it doesn't mean that unfairness should't be handled just because there are other unfairness in the game.

And for the developping time, it could close the discussion, it's not a priority, nor by a long shot, We can discuss again in some years :D

Yes it is a priority, has it is causing great unfairness between a very small group that has an unfair advantage (who can allow themseles being connected almost whenever they want) and all the others.
It also has a good priority has the cost of the fix is very (very) small.

Current state is that users are leaving the game because its' auction unfairness.
I guess that the site's owner does not like that...

As you focused only on the time it will take to code it and on the importance of this feature, I'll guess you agree with all other points I've made.

Coding time - Well, there is not much to say. This is their code and job, and they know better.
What we will write here will have no say on that.
I believe it is not that costly.

Importance - As it gives great advantage to those who can get online almost whenever thay can, it frustrates all the others.
Frustration is causing who suffer from it (most of the others, which is the main group) to leave the game.
Due to that, it has great importance.
Maybe not the top one (as they have some engine issues), but close to that.