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missing the point. Ranking can get 1 or 2 positions better, I agree, but I dispute that a few ranking positions have any meaningful impact on the draw for the following season. If you know that the draw is based on some specific seeding procedure then please clarify, because then it would be a valid reason to try to win an extra game at the expense of trying to win the tournament.

You have just to ask the right guy Lemon.
There is an impact on the draw... I would say a pretty huge one. After the consolidation tournament the european championship will take place. So what do you think how the draw works?
Europe is divide into groups. Group 1 is the powerhouse group. #1-#6 in the european ranking. Group 2 #7-#12 etc.
So the teams from group 1 are the head of each european championship group. Plus the host of the tournament.

example:
The host will be the head of Group A, the other 6 teams from group 1 will be divided as heads to the other groups. And here we get the first problem. If the host is one of the best 6 teams in europe, is will go really smooth. But if the host is #7 in europe, Group A will get two strong teams. The host and one of the first six.
After the host and #1-#6 are set as the heads, the six teams from Group 2 are distributed to the six groups under the heads. #13-#18 are the third teams in the groups and so on.

So a win can bring you from Group 3 (#13-18) to Group 2 (#7-#12). And with this you prevent harder matches against five other stronger teams.

Example (current NT ranking for Europe)
#1 - Poland
#2 - France
#3 - Srbija
#4 - Latvija
#5 - Italia
#6 - England

#7 - Spain
#8 - Finland
#9 - Turkey
#10 - Portugal
#11 - Lietuva
#12 - Slovenija

#13 - Germany

So if there would be a draw for an european tournament now, the first six would be the head, the next six the seconds. Now Spain wins and moves to #6.

#1 - Poland
#2 - France
#3 - Srbija
#4 - Latvija
#5 - Italia
#6 - Spain

#7 - England

With this they prevent Poland, France, Srbija, Latvija and Italia as possible opponents in the first round of the tournament. Just by moving up one rank. And England would have to deal with one of these six powerhouses.
(275254.12) I tracked these kind of things seasons ago. In BB every game, every victory or loss can make your next season harder or easier. If Germany could move from #13 to #12, the would have also an easier draw.

You have just to ask the right guy Lemon. B)

You should just read Nachtmahr. Joemaverick already explained it ages ago and I agreed with him. B)

Holland isn't 6th like England, they gained 4 positions thanks to the win and they barely made it into the 4th bucket. If they lose some positions after they get eliminated by Serbia they may still be in the 4th bucket, but could also go back to the 5th. If they had lost to Italy they'd be in the 5th for sure

So the difference for them is between avoiding:
- Israel, Switzerland, Turkey, England, Portugal (if they stay in the 4th bucket)
- Bulgaria, Latvia, Slovenia, Romania, Belarus/Ireland (if they go back to the 5th)

At this rate and with this mentality maybe in another 40 seasons the Dutch kitten might break through and reach the 3rd or 2nd bucket and feel ready to try and win something...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/18/2017 5:33:19 PM

Almost done the second major upset!

Yes indeed If the coach didn't do the GDP... who know what would have happened.

But congratulations to Serbia, and good luck against the Czechs!

And there was another major upset by Slovensko who beat the #2 seed Poland (40876). Another CT vs TIE win. Who will win the tournament now? Left are the following teams ranked by seed, and their world rank in parentheses:

3. Bosnia (25)
4. Greece (24)
8. Czech Republic (12)
10. Croatia (23)
11. Belgium (20)
15. Slovenia (29)
16. Serbia (19)
21. Israel (39)

Bosnian golden boys on fire!

Yes indeed :) If the coach didn't do the GDP

I thought you had a great coach and staff? In hindsight, if you scouted properly you'd still be in the competition.

It only shows you that your team is not so inferior to bigger nations and that without wasting Entusiasm in the group phase (multiple times in blowout losses) and Normalling Italy (instead of crunching) with some luck you'd still be in the competition. After all if Ukraine did it, there is no reason why Holland couldn't. Of course if you get scared and go for the single win, instead of positioning yourself for the overall competition then you put yourself in a position to never succeed.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/21/2017 7:17:22 AM

LOL what juice are you drinking? A NOR against Italy and it's a loss 100%. You're coming off saltier than a ton of french fries.

A Normal against Italy+GDP+correct tactic+luck was the only way they have a shot at winning this tournament. That plus not normalling 2 games where they lost by a combined 50 points earlier on. It's very obvious their coach decided that they shouldn't try to win the tournament, but getting 1 scalp while achieving a mediocre result and improving the ranking by a couple of spots was enough. If you specifically think that aiming for mediocrity is a good choice then we have a very different view on things.

Now tell me: if they won against Italy on a Normal vs TIE, would they have a higher chance to win the Serbia game? Managers, and especially U21 managers where there is a level playing field, who don't even try are just bad. If you lose because of GS or poor training that's life, you know you did your best, if you lose due to wasting Enth left and right is just a poor coaching effort.

Also, if you make the case that a CT v TIE give you a fighting chance it's beyond dumb and incoherent to then claim that NOR v TIE gives you 0% chance like you did. It will give you a lower chance but not 0%. And, as I already pointed out before, CT v TIE will give you a MUCH lower chance to win the follow up games (although still not 0% even in that case).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/21/2017 8:48:51 AM

Hey Lemon dude, listen to this guy! He understands basketball

He might understand basketball , hence why i am not surprised he doesn't understand buzzerbeater.

Hey Lemon dude, listen to this guy! He understands basketball

Nah people who understand basketball would understand the stats and how the game against Italy makes no sense from a basketball point of view.

Considering Cletus said both these things, I think he does not understand much of anything on the subject discussed here apart from infinity:

I'd love to see them actually run this game 99 more times for posterity's sake...I'd guess [the results would be] around 96-4 or 97-3.

A NOR against Italy and it's a loss 100%.

According to him if you use CT instead of NOR, your chances increase infinitely: 4%/0%=∞.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/21/2017 1:14:39 PM