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Does anyone know what the proportion of types of shots that are taken in BB are? are guards just taking too many shots in BB and that's why shot blocking is higher amongst gaurds? or are the distributions of the kinds of shots correct and guards are blocking too many of them.

I guess naively I would suspect more guards to be gaurding outside shots/long range jump shots, and centers to be gaurding inside shots/dunk shots, and so what the distribution of blocks should be should be a function of whether there are more inside versus outside shots.

A superior shot blocker in the NBA will block anywhere from 2 to 3 shots a game. Without doing any extensive research, I'd hazard the guess that this rate is pretty much par for shot blockers in BB as well.

By the way this thread is going, I am left with the impression that people expect players to come out and block 5 shots a game with regularity, which is not going to happen.

You may think that 5-6 obligatory misses in the game are not a big deal. However, I guarantee you these may be the difference in a close game.

This just isn't true. For one, are there any players blocking 2-3 shots per game?

On my team, my PG and C both play about 30 minutes. My 6' 1" PG with awful (3) Shot Blocking has 0.9 bpg. My 6' 9" U-21 USA Center with prominent (10) Shot blocking has 0.5 bpg.

Can you show such example were players with decent to good shot blocking are really blocking 2-3 shots per game?

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Steve
Bruins




Last edited by Solana_Steve at 1/14/2009 8:49:56 PM

This just isn't true. For one, are there any players blocking 2-3 shots per game?

Which, in particular, isn't true? If BB is anything like the NBA, they should be few and far between.

Can you show such example were players with decent to good shot blocking are really blocking 2-3 shots per game?

There are only 4 players in the entire NBA averaging 2-3 blocked shots per game, how many do you think there will be in BB?

My PF/C with strong shot blocking swats 1.5 shots in just 25 minutes per game.

To put this number in perspective, as of tonight there are only 21 players doing better, and just 4 of them play 25 minutes or less. This sums up to less than 1 player per team.

Along the same lines, how much shot blocking do you think a center needs to average 3 block a game? I'd say proficient is not enough, especially in top leagues -- just the same way proficient inside scoring or inside defense is not sufficient.

Just for reference: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/bycategory?cat=Fielding...

Sure, from a statical standpoint the total number of shots blocked is probably only slightly lower than in the NBA. My team blocks about 5 shots a game and the average NBA teams seems to block about 4 to 6+ shots per game.

The real problem is the distribution. There is very little correlation between the shot blocking skill and the number of blocks. If somebody with no skill in shot blocking is blocking at 0.5 - 1.0 bpg -- those with the skill are blocking only a fraction higher -- then the skill is practical worthless.

If you look at the leaders from the NBA, you'd see they're all big men. Look here...Wade is the only guard in the whole NBA with an average greater than 0.4 bpg: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=G&co...

In Buzzerbeater terms, if you've got lousy SB skill, you should almost never block a shot. If you have decent shot blocking skills, your average is about right. If you have good SB skills, your average should probably double.

Now here's the kicker...here's how shot blocking can become a more equal skill. In real basketball, shot blockers don't just block 2-3 shots per game. They force probably twice as may shots to be altered from guards driving into the paint or against post players.


Steve
Bruins

By the way this thread is going, I am left with the impression that people expect players to come out and block 5 shots a game with regularity, which is not going to happen.

no a bad shoot blocker will give his opponent easy oppurtunitys to score because he jump up to a fake, a good shot blocker will affect many shoots he doesn't block because the people have to throw above his hand and this will lead to more missed shot ... That what i expect ;)

In real i saw a lot of player who try to block everythink and give the opponent so much free point, to get a solid block stats - so that good blocking don't correlate much with the amount of blocks. because good shot blocking laso means, to know when to block ...

And if one block is average genious for a player, and no affected shots, you won't pay then money for it kozlo.

The real problem is the distribution. There is very little correlation between the shot blocking skill and the number of blocks. If somebody with no skill in shot blocking is blocking at 0.5 - 1.0 bpg -- those with the skill are blocking only a fraction higher -- then the skill is practical worthless.

I agree that distribution is a problem. I said this a couple of posts up.

I don't think this necessarily makes the skill worthless for centers, since shot blocking on guards doesn't help you as much when the opponent is playing an inside tactic.

Guards make more blocks then center with smaller skill, so why it isn't helping you?

Even with inside tactic i expect an nealry similiar amount of blcoked shots.

Guards make more blocks then center with smaller skill, so why it isn't helping you?

Even with inside tactic i expect an nealry similiar amount of blcoked shots.

Because the opponent's guards generally will take less shots when he plays an inside tactic, which renders the SB skill on guards relatively less useful.

but they still take pretty much shots, when you don't use only pass guards.

But this makes shot blocking still an guard skill, because, guards blocks more in normal focus and outside focus with a smaller sb skill, and for that it is handled wrong from the system.

I'll try to explain in another way...if i play a game with a center with respectable(7) ID or with a center with sensational(12) ID there will be a great diffrence that can be seen in the game and the change between the skill level is pnly 5...but if i play with a center with colossal(19) SB or with a center with respectable(7) SB with 12 skill level change(more then twice) i can't see it in the game,and they did the same blocks in a game most of the time and that it why SB should not be a skill on it's on becouse it has in the best case a vary minor effect while other skills like ID that can be trained in the same way are having a major effect on the game.

You cant ignore the facts i gave here and more then 85 masseges there is a problem that need to be solved find your way to solve it buy do it i dont need my player to do 5 blocks per game becouse he has a high SB but i want to see the high SB effect the game as any other skill and not just in the money the player takes home but also on the court.