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111222.8 in reply to 111222.6
Date: 9/16/2009 3:37:34 AM
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Well my second best C is a tiny 6'4" and I am scared to play him as a C and even with him at PF I feel a little bad. Is this really not a problem?

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111222.9 in reply to 111222.8
Date: 9/16/2009 4:18:29 AM
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It depends what inside skills he actually has rather then his height. Height is only factored in when it comes to training. Height isnt factored in when games are played.

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111222.10 in reply to 111222.9
Date: 9/16/2009 7:48:09 AM
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I think that's something that must be improved in the future. If you play a 7'4 C against a 6'2 the big guy (in real life) would have a massive advantage in every single possession. And that also works at the other end. A 7'0 PG will always have tons of trouble guarding a 6'0 guy on the perimeter

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111222.11 in reply to 111222.10
Date: 9/16/2009 8:21:56 AM
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I think it is ok how it is its hard to train a 6'2 centre and 7'0 point guard anyway so the bigger C and smaller PG should have a skills advantage already.

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111222.12 in reply to 111222.10
Date: 9/16/2009 8:40:58 AM
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I think that's something that must be improved in the future. If you play a 7'4 C against a 6'2 the big guy (in real life) would have a massive advantage in every single possession. And that also works at the other end. A 7'0 PG will always have tons of trouble guarding a 6'0 guy on the perimeter

This is something that works as intended at this point.

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111222.13 in reply to 111222.10
Date: 9/16/2009 11:19:22 AM
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this is not something that needs changing as its already reflected in the skills.
just because a guys 7 foot dont mean his great inside and a great rebounder , a 6 foot 4 guy who is a great rebounder will out rebound a 7 foot poor rebounder, height is factored in at training and i think its the same in real life. yes 7 foot player would start with better skill inside then a 6 foot 4 player, but if the 7 foot player never trained and the 6 foot 4 guy did, it wouldnt be to log till the 7 footer would be getting dominated.

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111222.14 in reply to 111222.10
Date: 9/16/2009 3:55:15 PM
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It doesn't need adjustments at all. Everyone knows the dwarf will suck compared to the giant due to the difference in height. And a few inches in height away from ideal aren't going to matter depending on the skills of the player. Look at 6'4 Barkley playing POWER FORWARD, Dennis the Menace 6'9 and one of the best rebounders and interior defenders of all time. As for giants vs little guys supposedly having an advantage, 6'7 DeJuan Blair with no knees absolutely destroyed 7'3 Thabeet. Dwight Howard 6'10 kills Big Z 7'3. Everyone in he league killed Shawn Bradley 7"5.

As for big little men, Magic Johnson, LeBron, Dirk Nowitski and Kevin Durant debunk that theory.

The training aspect is only to make it more realistic to actual player heights. If you train an athlete like Dirk(6'11) or Durant(6'9) in shooting and guard skills all their life they will play a little man's position. Same thing with guys like Blair, Barkley, Rodman, Tisdale. If you train a guy timing, and hw to use his strength to rebound and defend, he will be in a big man's position.

These guys are exceptions to the rule, but it's absurd your complaining about it considering they are exceptions to the rule in BB too.

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111222.15 in reply to 111222.14
Date: 9/16/2009 7:00:43 PM
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Like you said, they are exceptions to the rule. Barkley is listed as 6'6, but Barkley was a "heavy guy" in the way he played. And 6'6 isn't too small for a PF. If you look around in the NBA you won't find many, but there are guys like Jason Maxiell that play a lot of undersized minutes.

Second thing, I'm not complaining. I really like this game, and as far as I understand these guys are trying to create a thing as close to reality as possible, so I don't see why I shouldn't participate in discussions and give suggestions. I'm not saying everything I argue is absolutely right, I'm open to arguing and agreeing on the best solution.

All the examples you give are correct. Dirk Nowitzki is a great shooter but he's not a ball handler. There's nothing wrong with big men who can shoot, in the NBA lots of PF's come out to shoot the 3-ball. LeBron, Magic, Durant are 6'8, 6'9 which I still find reasonable and are exceptional players (Durant's not there yet, but he'll get there I think). But tell me if you have ever seen a 7-foot point guard.

My point is, an exceptional player can play everywhere on the court, but there are no average 6'4 Centers or 6'10 PG's, let alone 5'11 C's and 7'1 PG's

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111222.16 in reply to 111222.15
Date: 9/16/2009 7:40:32 PM
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and there are not top level 5'11 c's or 7'1 pg's here because its just too hard to train them to be so.
the system is fine and does not need, and i hope it does not get changes.

we haven't even mentioned how much it would screw up the economy.

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111222.17 in reply to 111222.16
Date: 9/17/2009 5:51:11 AM
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One thing I would like to know is the following. When new players are generated for the draft, I imagine their potentials are generated randomly, but is their height also random?

Imagine the following example. Your scouts gather information on 2 different PF's, they both have 5-star ability, but one is 6'0 and has 5-star potential and the other one has 4-star potential and is 6'10. Since you don't know their heights you're going to pick the 6'0 first because this guy has more potential when he actually doesn't. See what I mean?

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111222.18 in reply to 111222.17
Date: 9/17/2009 5:58:30 AM
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One thing I would like to know is the following. When new players are generated for the draft, I imagine their potentials are generated randomly, but is their height also random?


i think in the way you mean it yes ;)

But hight plays a role, on distributing skills, bigger player most likely get better big guy skills and small players get most likely small guy skills.

Imagine the following example. Your scouts gather information on 2 different PF's, they both have 5-star ability, but one is 6'0 and has 5-star potential and the other one has 4-star potential and is 6'10. Since you don't know their heights you're going to pick the 6'0 first because this guy has more potential when he actually doesn't. See what I mean?


he still get more potential, maybe not as a PF but maybe he would be a great SG/SF soon.

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