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I think because Free Throws is a team training type of training, you wouldnt neccassarily run FT training 4-5 times in the year, just for one player.
If your top 3 players who were going to the line a lot in games, all had crapola FT's, then you could probably justify this.

I tend to run FT training once a year, over the all-star break/End of season break. So all my players get it, regardless. Just had a guy pop to Wonderous in FT. he shot 91% last year.

Another examplew would bea guy who first started playing for me (drafted) in season 12, had atrocious FT. Shot 33% that season. His FT is now awful, and shot 47% last year. But i have seen other players with atrocious FT and they only shot 11% or something horrible like that.

So i wonder if the difference in terms of percentage between, Atrocious/pitiful/awful is lager than the difference between respectable/strong/prolific. hard to say

all i know is that, if im buying a plyer, his FT level does play a huge part in the decision on whether i buy him or not.

So i wonder if the difference in terms of percentage between, Atrocious/pitiful/awful is lager than the difference between respectable/strong/prolific. hard to say

but easy to answer, the first steps a huge. if you start with minimum free throw 2 "you cann't buy a bucket"(really) with one training(still atrocious) you hit close to twenty percent. if you train it from respectable + Range the difference is pretty small.

I think training up to medicore in ft is quite efficient, after it only do it if you can not make other stuff with sense.

Another examplew would bea guy who first started playing for me (drafted) in season 12, had atrocious FT. Shot 33% that season. His FT is now awful, and shot 47% last year. But i have seen other players with atrocious FT and they only shot 11% or something horrible like that.

I've had 0% for the first season of a young player I trained, he was over 50 attempts this season :D
He was mediocre when he left, and his statistics during these 5 seasons clearly showed the importance of FT training.

Another examplew would bea guy who first started playing for me (drafted) in season 12, had atrocious FT. Shot 33% that season. His FT is now awful, and shot 47% last year. But i have seen other players with atrocious FT and they only shot 11% or something horrible like that.

well one of my trainees with atrocious FT went 0-127 last year and 0-73 the year before that. that means he has yet to make a free-throw in his career.. i actually find it a bit unrealistic though. everybody would make at least one of 200.

I agree it is pretty unrealistic but atrocious with low sublevel probably would be something like my 80y/o grandmother if put irl perspective. And i doubt she would sink many FT's if even one of 500.

But she can hit 45% from 3 point land? Then she could definitely play in Buzzerbeater, if not the real thing.

I did some general analysis on this.

Last year, on my team, the guy who shot the most FT's in the season (not including PO's, or scrimmages or Cup, just regular season).... took 66 Free throw attempts. which is about 3 a game. He shot 0.712 for the year. His FT level was 'medicore' all year.
The guy who just popped to Wonderous FT, shot 0.912 for the year. If my player who attempted the most FT's in the season, shot that percentage, it would have increased his seasons points average from 13.5, to 14.0 a mere half a point per game.

So from Mediocre, to Sensational, level 5 to level 12(?), equals half a point per game. In that example of course.
If that player shot twice as many free throws in the year, then you are talking, one whole point.

OK so if he had only shot 60%, then this margin would of course be a bit more. but obviously not that much.

When i look at it from this angle, it really makes me realise how much of a lack of difference FT's make in the game. Unless they drastically increased the number of FT attempts into the game engine, im starting to think that above medicore is worth.... well.... only about half a point per game. ie: not worth it at all.

i think both of your ercentage are quite high for that skill, but yes FT training is just really valuble in the low regions because there you have double digit increase even with a single training and i don't know how much extra points a JS training per player brings but i doubt that it is lot more then those 1 point you get there.

Yes I totally agree.

I started thinking again though, being a team based training activity, if you were able to get that half-point increase across 4 players, thats 2 points per game, for your team. If you said to me "If you run this training regime, once a year, your team's output will increase by 2 points per game" I would probably do it. The team aspect of the training i think gives it a bit more effect.
An example.

Not looking at personal changes or training in this example, I looked at Season 14 V Season 15 stats for FT for my team.

Season 14 - FT% was 56% for 226 FT's made out of 402
Season 15 - FT% was 65% for 268 FT's made out of 410 So a good comparison.

That equaled just under 2 points per game, for my team.
So by increasing my FT skill through training and buying better players, I increased the team's production by 2 points per game. There is a couple more wins in the column for those close games!
The question is, how much of that increase can be attributed to training!!!!! hard to determine me thinks.

Still, an interesting stat!

2 points per game is not bad, but you have to ask yourself.. How many games in a season do you lose by 1 or 2 points (0 for me last season), and how much will these 2 points more actually affect your performance? Or wouldn't it be better if you trained something else instead?
I don't usually do FT training for example and try to buy players who have at least inept FT or above. Once you reach mediocre or average, it's not worth training in my opinion.

Last edited by Dodor at 4/27/2011 4:46:39 AM

the question is, what games you would win with one additional Jump Shot training? I doubt that this makes a 2 point difference too, but while training constantly you are maybe able to beat a opponent at the end of the season who would beat your initial roster.

The next thing is, you don't loose game that often with 1-2 points, because basketball players try to win games in the last minutes which often fails and give the opponent a bigger lead(and especially here where ehm the player make very optimistic fouls) - so you won't see that margin often at the end of the game but they could have decided it in 47 minutes before.