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194285.8 in reply to 194285.7
Date: 8/15/2011 11:40:45 PM
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He did promote the last two years though, so he is doing something right


He is doing something right indeed and I don't want to be taking anything away from him but promoting out of D5 and D4 in consecutive seasons is not as impressive as staying alive in the higher leagues. D5 and D4 are full of bots and some managers that don't know what they are doing but the higher leagues are a completely different ball game. It is when enthusiasm, tactics, type of players all become an integral part of the team to try gain promotion rather than against semi-active teams that play the same tactics week in and week out.

For a NT position, especially one as big as the USA, the NT manager really needs that sort of big league experience as you are playing against some of the best managers in the world.

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194285.9 in reply to 194285.8
Date: 8/16/2011 12:18:39 AM
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Totally agree. In DIV I'm facing teams that don't know how to manage GS and don't TIE at all.

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194285.10 in reply to 194285.8
Date: 8/16/2011 12:45:07 AM
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D5 and D4 are full of bots and some managers that don't know what they are doing but the higher leagues are a completely different ball game.

Then why have only about 3 NBBA teams been able to win a D5 championship? If D5 is full of managers that don't know what they're doing then then what does that say about NBBA managers? It says they're weak sauce, that's what.

Sure, some may make excuses like, "but they were never in D5 to begin with". Not buying it. The only undefeated NBBA team doesn't even have a D4 trophy!! They ran away to the less-competitive higher divisions because they couldn't cut it.

I agree with the original poster.

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194285.11 in reply to 194285.10
Date: 8/16/2011 1:29:25 AM
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Then why have only about 3 NBBA teams been able to win a D5 championship?


I can't say for certain as I am not in USA divisions but these teams have been playing for a significant period of time. Perhaps D5 did not exist when these teams started? Or when they started, they were not put in D5?

There have been cases of newly created teams starting in a division higher than the lowest division in the country.

At the end of the day, if you are are looking to hire a NT coach, would you hire a manager of a D4 team or a team that is in the NBBA?? Sure, you might say on paper, the D4 manager might be just as experienced as the NBBA manager, but whats there to back that up? All things being equal, all you can rely on is that a player in a higher league is better because they have proven that they can win and maintain their position in a higher league

Last edited by Monkeybiz at 8/16/2011 1:33:22 AM

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194285.12 in reply to 194285.10
Date: 8/16/2011 2:50:44 AM
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Then why have only about 3 NBBA teams been able to win a D5 championship? If D5 is full of managers that don't know what they're doing then then what does that say about NBBA managers? It says they're weak sauce, that's what.

Sure, some may make excuses like, "but they were never in D5 to begin with". Not buying it. The only undefeated NBBA team doesn't even have a D4 trophy!! They ran away to the less-competitive higher divisions because they couldn't cut it.

I agree with the original poster.


Am also not in any US Divisions or am familiar with them but I started in Div 4 and every time I was promoted I had to restructure my team because it was progressively more competitive.

As a probable comparison, I also haven't won in Div 2, got promoted due to Bot cleanup. Maybe the reason they haven't won in Div 5 is that they got promoted early. IMHO i'd rather see how a GM manages a team in the higher leagues that in the lower ones.

I also disagree that higher divisions are less competitive - just my 2 cents. Peace :)

Last edited by DoG at 8/16/2011 2:56:05 AM

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194285.13 in reply to 194285.12
Date: 8/16/2011 3:54:40 AM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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to everyone, my post was meant "tongue in cheek". quoting myself:
Sure, some may make excuses like, "but they were never in D5 to begin with". Not buying it.

(lol, obviously you can't win D5 without actually having *been* in D5.)

Technically, the original poster (Baller_Clay) brings up somewhat valid points though. & gave him 1 ball for it.

But honestly, if whatever country's NT team wasn't expected to do much & hadn't been successful for a while.... why not give the Div4 guy a shot? You've got nothing to lose & the "proven" manager hasn't gotten it done anyway. I'm somehow ranked in the top 25 of the USA / top 800 world & don't think I'd necessarily make a better manager than a Div4 guy.

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194285.14 in reply to 194285.13
Date: 8/16/2011 4:13:01 AM
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so you are for random votes?

I mean the div 4 team had the chanche to convince people about their knowledge and that he seriously play, maybe is already expierienced as scout etc.

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194285.15 in reply to 194285.11
Date: 8/16/2011 6:48:29 AM
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I totally agree with MonkeyBiz, for your NT you want the most experienced and best coach possible. Now there are some twits in the ABBL and there probably are in the NBBA as well, ones that are good at accounting or day trading but not so good at strategy and tactics but you should know who they are. All things being equal I would need a very good reason to vote for someone from a lower league.

I think the U21 team is actually a very different situation though. The NBBA managers know all about $200,000 + players so are perfect for the senior team, but they may not be so hot on the best ways to train an 18 year old rookie. Some probably will be but I think there is a lot less advantage for the NBBA manager there.

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194285.16 in reply to 194285.1
Date: 8/16/2011 7:59:07 AM
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I think that it is more the managers that are not involves in the offsite and that kind of stuff that just vote for a GM. I used to do this, but now I am more involved in the offsite, and see that often I dont agree with what they say, and what their plans are.

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194285.17 in reply to 194285.13
Date: 8/16/2011 4:07:14 PM
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But honestly, if whatever country's NT team wasn't expected to do much & hadn't been successful for a while.... why not give the Div4 guy a shot? You've got nothing to lose & the "proven" manager hasn't gotten it done anyway. I'm somehow ranked in the top 25 of the USA / top 800 world & don't think I'd necessarily make a better manager than a Div4 guy.

That logic works for some countries, but not for a country like USA, Poland, Italy etc. The top teams are expected to go far and many people in the top countries see the NT as Championship or bust. I don't think that a DIV manager is fit for that. However a DIV manager would be a better fit for a country that doesn't have high expectations. I think a DIV manager can succeed in running a NT, I don't think that you would want to put a guy in that league in a situation where the expectations are that high and sometimes that unrealistic.

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194285.18 in reply to 194285.17
Date: 8/16/2011 4:55:18 PM
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Agreed, and it's not like the two main candidates were the same as the rest of the NT managers we've had. One of them already had experience with managing a national team, when we had not had a manager with that kind of experience before, and the other didn't participate in helping with the US national team before, so he would bring a different prospective in to managing it. A lot of the candidates in lower divisions claim that they would bring change to the national team, but the top two candidates certainly would bring it too.

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