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because J was a better center than K throughout the entire 4th quarter... exaggerated by the fact that J is higher on the depth chart than K. Whereas K is on an even playing field with H (and everyone else) in terms of depth chart at PG...they are both not on it. If you had even a single other PG in the depth chart, they would have played over both H and K... and K probably would have gotten very little or no PT at all.

Remember the coach isn't asking... how can I get time for K. The coach is asking.. ok.. how do i put the best possible team out on the court, given their ratings/energy and modulation by the instructions for my GM. And I think that is the question the coach should be asking.

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 4/3/2008 6:36:19 PM

so its very easy to take specific players out of consideration within the context of a "put the best team on the floor" sort of algorithm.

its harder to write a whole separate algorithm based upon equalizing minutes amongst backups and reserves. (but maybe we should do that)

its even harder to write an algorithm which both tries to put the best team on the floor and distributes minutes... for how do you quantify that tradeoff.

fwiw its not clear to me that a nba coach really pays close attention to minutes. He pays closer attention to how tired a player is and what his foul situation is, and how he is matching up with the opposing team.

it is precisely because he is not thinking "oh i need to get so and so some minutes" that you see this big difference in minutes between starters and backups generally... cause once someone has moved in the coaches mind to being better the coach leans towards having him in the game if he isn't too tired, having foul problems, or he needs a different sort of lineup for some reason. A smart coach might think ahead and say.. oh.. if i don't give him a rest now he's gonna get tired at the end of the game so i better do that.

i really don't mind debate... i've just spent time thinking about this problem a lot so I tend to have a lot of opinions.

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 4/3/2008 7:35:21 PM

Dammit, there's a thread somewhere from back around Christmas where BB-Charles (I think... maybe it was you, though?) and I had a productive discussion on this topic, and where there was even agreement to try to change a few things, although I'm not sure if anything came of it.

I can't find it... if you have any super BB-tools to find that thread, it might be helpful to this discussion.

It is really a great job what has been done to the game engine so far. Of course, it is not perfect, but I think it is already quite realistic.

In my opinion, changes should be directed only to make the game closer to real basket and not to solve the managers problems. It is the manager who should adapt his/her decitions to the game and not the opposite. The amount of minutes only exists because of the BB training mode. Nothing to do with real basketball, so I don´t think making it easier should be a priority. Unrealistic line-ups like having only one player for one position are not supposed to lead to logic results.