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From: Jay_m

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They need to move this thread to the "Whiner line".

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Freccia Azzurra
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???

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Freccia Azzurra
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Try to check the difference between the second division of a "normal" big nation.

Salary floor 200k
TV 140k
Merch 35k

The difference is that in my division we have an average salary of 400k, if you check these numbers utopia is still a paradise

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Headless Thompson Gunners
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The economics that we learned about in other Div II don't match
My team needs a few more dollars and your solution is to stop playing the game?
Makes total sense, thanks for the advice

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Both trainees did not start with a lot of skills

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white snake
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...the second division of a "normal" big nation.
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Merch 35k
If that is true, I stand corrected. So it is only div I and div IV where merchandise is a real factor?

It also depends on your "homegrown" players. We had a manager in germany, he had almost only homegrwon players. During his best seasons, he had up to 120k merch in the second division (his average was around 90k).
My best result in the second division was 76k with two own draftees as my main scorers. They were the nr. 1 and nr.3 in the league in scoring.

For utopian teams, there are no real homegrown players yet. So the merch will stay low. BB punishes teams with a lot of foreign players. And because a lot of div. IV teams train utopian players, our merch from div. IV and your merch from div. II isn't that far away.

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The economics that we learned about in other Div II don't match

In my current Div2, the salary floor is 175k, TV contract is 125k and merch is 33k (17k running deficit before staff and gates).

If I understand correctly in Utopia Div 2, those values are 151k, 108k, 24k (19k running deficit before staff and gates).

Seems rather close to me.

Edit: it also looks a lot better than promoting to D2 with a 8.5k arena when the majority of the teams have a 20k arena...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/21/2014 6:56:49 AM

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So merchandising in div IV earns 17k at a team salary of 51k (33%)
Two divisions higher up, merchandising in div II earns 24k at avg. team salary of 240k (10%)
That is just crazy.

I think you're looking at things from the wrong perspective. Utopia's numbers are not dramatically different than another D2 without NT or U21 players. The real difference is in the size of the arenas. The 15k-20k deficit from TV+Merch-Minimum Salary is standard for a D2 and I guess you'd be close to a normal D2 economics if Utopian managers had an arena generating 200K+ gate income.

I think the implicit gate income increase from D3 to D2 (for a large arena) is substantially more than 30k. It is more like 120k-150k. Clearly Utopia D2 teams have much smaller arenas than your usual D2 therefore that increase is scaled down. The 500k promotion bonus should have given you an extra 30k running from the arena all things being equal though.

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