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You need an elite inside defender and passer to play at PG and defend at C and then at least 2 SFs, one with a lot of IS and enough OD to be played at PF and defending at SF or PG.

This is the easiest way. Take a guy with 17+ ID/SB, 15+ RB and around 10 IS with 18-19 PA and play him at PG. Tide of Fire had a guy like that who also played for the Swedish NT and he was a stud defending at C (also got several triple doubles in D1). Then you need a highly skilled SF to play at PF with say, 18 IS, 12 ID and 15-16 OD to defend at SF or 17-18+ OD to defend at PG.

The PG will take fewer shots than other players because he has no DR and will pass all the time.

As Bigeasy said, these are expensive skillsets. Especially the SF is very hard to build and requires appropriate height, potential and initial skills. The PG however is not that hard: PA will be a problem to train up to 19 or more without pumping HA/DR, but you mostly need inside skills really. So pick a quite tall guy , 6'9'', 6'10'' but clearly the higher the better, with MVP or better potential and then suffer while you train PA without elastics. I reckon for this type of player you need low-ish initial IS although not too low, 7/7 HA/DR are desirable and so is high OD.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2018 7:53:32 PM

Thank you for the precisions

I wouldn't say HA is useless but almost. The skill that matters is PA.

Had a player with 1 DR and 1 HA and he had more assists than turnovers and scored more efficiently than high DR players. Also you routinely see players with 20 HA turning the ball over. The only real reason you need HA is to make outside skill training faster.

The guard I mentioned was this guy (28622847). I don't remember his skills but his PA was elite and his HA and OD were forgettable. You can see his Ast/TO ratio in his career especially before he started dropping.

HA training has to be the worst possible training available. At the very least they should change it to train PA instead of DR as a secondary, because as currently set it won't allow you to keep DR low.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/4/2018 5:50:19 AM

I want to add that both those players are likely to be salary efficient.

The PG definitely should be, like any big built that way. The SF will also be provided that RB and other outside skills are kept under control.

His offensive skills weren't great either as far as I remember. I always thought he overachieved given his skills.

Widerström is kind of unique player. I like him very much.

His skills were: JS 10 - JR 9 - OD 6 - HA 14 - DR 14 - PA 19/20 - IS 8 - ID 17 - RB 16 - SB 17

But he was hard to play. I used him as a C who could defend and rebound. His passing was the highest on the team at that time. In season 33 I tried another approach: (36284). i set him as a SG in LI and switched his defense to C. The result was jawdropping ;) A TD with 17 points, 15 rebounds and 20 assists. I tried this several times more, but the results ware never again this outstanding.

I saw (and build) several defense types. But until now I didn't find the perfect one. There is always a downside. Take Widerström, he had no OD. Haek had no RB and his offense game was also very limited. My current trainee hasn't the level of OD and PA like Haek had, but his offense skills are great. Somehow you end up always with at least one or two neglected skills. For seasons it was SB and JR for the standard players. Manon's Hammarstrand is a fantastic inside defender and playmaker (for a big), but he has also his downsides.
Maybe a manager with a all time great trainee and a lv 7 coach could build a player with offense and defense...

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 5/4/2018 4:19:54 PM

My boy (38258127) is coming. Not a scorer, but he does not take that much shots either. OD+ID+SB now 56 so you can also use him to stop opponents top scorer m2m. But I like to play 3-2 and he's D position is C or PF. Still time to improve a lot.