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63883.8 in reply to 63883.1
Date: 12/12/2008 12:03:55 PM
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the bug thred is closed so i posted here...

i have a player who played 82 min` and got 8.5 rank at the last game...

i wonder how i wonder why his game shpe fell down from the very high sky?!?

from 9
he droppd to 7

i have 5 doctor with masage

Game shape is not guaranteed to go up or remain the same. The optimal minutes per week are way below 80 anyhow.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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63883.9 in reply to 63883.8
Date: 12/12/2008 3:39:13 PM
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it helped once I guess. Player with 94 minutes didn't drop. Game shape of my players is genreally ok , but this week I experienced a drop after 74 minutes played. So it looks that the while thing is not much reliable. At least in respectable-proficient range.

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63883.10 in reply to 63883.5
Date: 12/12/2008 7:43:41 PM
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so far i haven't had any real problems with a doctor with massage. it's actually been well worth the money. i have 10 players at strong to proficient game shape and 2 players that don't have good GS because they don't play. my two centers usually get above 90 minutes so i needed the extra boost. this week my center who got 90 minutes hit proficient GS. i have noticed that it does fluctuate but not once has a player dropped below respectable GS. that includes when a player i had hit 120 minutes (due to injuries i had to play him a ton) he only dropped to respectable from strong.

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63883.11 in reply to 63883.8
Date: 12/12/2008 10:41:27 PM
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How do you know this? I'm not saying you are wrong just wondering how you came by this piece of information.

I had a player increase his game shape from respectable to strong while playing 84 minutes last week while another player went from proficient to strong while logging 64 minutes.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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63883.12 in reply to 63883.11
Date: 12/12/2008 10:46:32 PM
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This doesn't answer your question specifically, but I think it's worth mentioning the following excerpt from the rules:

Players who do not play much each week tend to lose focus and their Game Shape will be sloppy. Players who play too much in a week will get tired and their Game Shape will also be low-quality. These changes are gradual, and will build up over a few weeks' time.


So, a player's game shape one week isn't just determined by his playing time in the previous week. As for the optimal number of minutes, I would guess somewhere in the 48-72 range, but I don't actually know.

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63883.13 in reply to 63883.12
Date: 12/12/2008 11:14:21 PM
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Thanks.

I almost never have problems with PT but I was in the BBB this year (got trounced) and had two injuries which have wreaked havoc on my PT rotation.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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63883.14 in reply to 63883.11
Date: 12/13/2008 11:00:50 AM
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How do you know this? I'm not saying you are wrong just wondering how you came by this piece of information.

I had a player increase his game shape from respectable to strong while playing 84 minutes last week while another player went from proficient to strong while logging 64 minutes.

Allegedly, the BBs have gone on record in the conferences saying that the optimal amount of minutes is 60-65.

My observations are that having your guys play 80 or 35 minutes will not necessarily hurt your game shape too much, but it might take a dent -- and therefore it's hard to maintain high strong or proficient form while playing 80 minutes on a regular basis.

Everyone is free to take all this with a grain of salt -- I certainly do, but the truth is somewhere close to that, and it's the best info that I can offer at this point.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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63883.15 in reply to 63883.14
Date: 12/13/2008 4:14:12 PM
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63883.17 in reply to 63883.16
Date: 12/13/2008 5:26:53 PM
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I think a chart over more than 750 players in 1 week (1st week of the season), basicly the only week where you can do such an test since all shapes are reset, is more accurate than any's own experience right now. But that just might be me.

I've even experienced GS raises with 80-90 minutes sometimes (rarely, but they happen). You just can't determine the exact amount of minutes needed in a week to get a raise, since the minutes of the last few weeks are included in the new game shape formula as well.

So it's basicly very hard to value your conclusion as well (no offense ment of course), since it doesn't include past weeks results.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 12/13/2008 5:27:44 PM