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The same can be said about the old system. Therefore, it's not a reason to not bring it back to the table.

The reasons you list don't show any inequity - it's the same system for everyone.

The new staff system is here to stay - the old one will not be coming back.

How did you get to that result?

That's not too hard at all. There are 3 staff sorts, with all 7 levels. So that 3/21 which is 14,3%. I said less than 15% because there are only a few lvl 5s, 6s and 7s compared to a lot lower leveled staff. So it's probably even less than 10%, or maybe even less than 5%.

Still sound like a good deal to you?

Yeah it's a great deal, and I have several reasons to say this;

1) The starting salary of the staff is way lower than in the old system (even the most expensive staff, of course the 6s and 7s weren't in the old system, so it's useless to compare), it takes at least half a season with the current weekly raise to be close to the salary of the old system, so you save money for at least half a season. I've still got my lvl 9, now lvl 5, coach from the old system, and he's still not at the wage he had when he was converted into the new system, same story for my PR.
2) In the old system you kept paying the same, while your staff might drop levels, so you paid (using your example) 25k signing fee and a higher weekly salary + skill drops vs 31k signing fee with a lower weekly salary and without skill drops.

I like it.

@JuicePats
OK, then let me put it this way. Take for example a 4th division team versus a 1st division team. It's common for 4th division teams to invest on a high level coach without any other proper staff members, since player training is essential to develop a team.
Now, the inequity comes when you see the sacrifices made by both teams. The 200k auction value only sacrificed, for example, 2 of the 1st league team arena incomes. That value triplicates for 4th league team, which can be a major hole in the financial stability for the rest of the season. Since in the beginning, they have no players sale to rely on. The effort made by the 4th league team is much bigger than it was on the previous system. I just think that this is a system made by people that are already on business and it's very rough on starters. But in the long term, it will begin to affect teams under development.
Now, the other solution would be the increase of the level 5 coaches to match the market search, therefore dropping their auction prices.

@PatjeBono
I think your major error comes when you exclude the auction price of the equation. That's where the real impact is. Maintaining it, its the least of the worries.
You cannot exclude how much you spent on the auction, from the total price of a staff member.

I didn't, read my post again and you see I included the auction price in the signing fee.

30k fee for your last PR guy + 1k auction for the new PR guy gives you 31k total.

But the problem is not on PR's, is it? Tell me one 4th division team that invests on a PR.

Like I said. It's a system made for people that are already on business.

Last edited by the L train at 1/6/2009 12:00:18 PM

Why is you petition called Staff System then? You want to change the WHOLE staff system, that's in your post. I guess the only problem for you are the coaches lvl 5+, which is, as I said, less than 15% , maybe even 10 or 5 of the current staff system, although my calculation might be too simple.

The main objective of this petition, in this early stage, is to question the current staff system since it has already proven its flaws. Of course, that better solutions might come from a debate. But for that to happen, we need to put it on the table again. So, if you wish that this current system to be revised, please sign this petition.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/6/2009 12:01:57 PM

@JuicePats
OK, then let me put it this way. Take for example a 4th division team versus a 1st division team. It's common for 4th division teams to invest on a high level coach without any other proper staff members, since player training is essential to develop a team.
Now, the inequity comes when you see the sacrifices made by both teams. The 200k auction value only sacrificed, for example, 2 of the 1st league team arena incomes. That value triplicates for 4th league team, which can be a major hole in the financial stability for the rest of the season.

Then the 4th division team shouldn't be overspending their means.

Because I cannot see mathematically the 15% drop you claim. And I don't consider this staff system a good deal. But I'm certain you can handle with another person disagreeing with you.

LOL. You're a funny guy. How do you train a player for sale, with a level 4 coach in this current system? How long does it take? It took me 2 seasons to get two players trained ready for sale with a level 10. How long would it take on a current level 4? Four seasons?

Last edited by the L train at 1/6/2009 12:12:25 PM

LOL. You're a funny guy. How do you train a player for sale, with a level 4 coach in this current system? How long does it take? It took me 2 seasons to get two players trained ready for sale with a level 10. How long would it take on a current level 4? Four seasons?

A current level 4 is the same as a former level 8.

Did you think a level 4 now was the same as a level 4 then?

I started this season and doing fine with lvl4 trainer. If you can not afford 200k+ for the lvl5 trainer then you take the lvl4 one for about 1-10k. If I take lvl5 trainer I can't buy myself decent players and expand my arena. I think div4 team does not need the best things at the start. You need to learn to manage your economy, not get everything easy at the start. In you case it seems like you can't get lvl5 trainer for cheap so you start to whine:) Demand creates the pricerange if you can't pay it you can't get it. I would like to buy div2 players for 50k why is there no players like that on TL. I demand that div4 teams get div2 players cheap!