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From: Kukoc

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Date: 1/21/2009 6:38:45 AM
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Do you have proof that you are OD12 guys are fouling JSJR12 guys often? You have less enthusiasm or are playing wrond defence or you lack in the stamina department.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 1/21/2009 6:47:49 AM
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my enthusiam is average for my league, and i know that there are mostly OD 12 guards in my league, and even guys with ten should foul so often my guards ;) The other way around with OD 12-15 against not much better shooters, isn't fine too.

The amount of Jump shot shooting fouls is pretty high, in this game when you compare it to real life where you foul mostly on driving or when they make insideshot. This isn't real life thats why it isn't that bad in my eyes, but the point from the thread starter is understandable, because defender like to jump into their opponent in playing defense, which was noobish fouls in Rl.

From: /joao

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Date: 1/21/2009 7:33:06 AM
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Just look at the numbers.

NBA's top FT attempted are players who attack the rim a lot. D12, Harris, Wade, Lebron...


You wont see Kapono there.


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From: Kukoc

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Date: 1/21/2009 8:26:07 AM
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My inside players get fouled more + I know my guys who foul more on shots are the ones that lack something in the defence departement. Do you want to tell me that you foul behind the arc more then under the basket? If that is the case you do not have a balanced team.
My inside players get fouled more often than my 3 point shooters and that is how it should be. My OD is weaker so I foul more on JS-s (not 3-s) and not under the basket as most teams in my league are weak under the basket. The closer I see my guys making the shot the more sure I can be there will be a foul.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 1/21/2009 8:29:41 AM
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By the way you are really a weak team in your league as it seems. The other side of the league table is the one with stronger team if you would be at that side you would have prolly 1 win or something like that:) My point is that you prolly have weaker players + you have no idea what kind of players your league actually have...

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 1/21/2009 8:32:15 AM
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so if i have that weak player, why they foul my players so often shooting 3s^^ Oh shit that wasn't your argumentation ;)

And my shooters are bad, because they are good passing guards ;)


PS: is see that even when our side was stronger then the other one ;) I see that on nationalteam and i see that on games of my friends - maybe i watched more games then you ;) Knowing the quality of opposing player don't necessary means that you have stronger one ;)

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Date: 1/21/2009 10:10:28 AM
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stop throwing around things like "a lot" and "pretty high" use some real numbers if you are going to make an argument.... how do you know that people in buzzerbeater are fouled on jump shots more than in the NBA... is there an NBA stat on jump shot fouling i haven't seen? also, what actually defines a jump shot? maybe some of the shots that the commentary describes as jump shots could simply be redescribed as something else? would that satisfy you? you need to show some numbers as to how the simulation doesn't capture the dynamic of basketball. not just throw around qualitative observations.

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Date: 1/21/2009 10:17:08 AM
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i would say hook shot are tried "rare"(oh my good i did it again) in the near from the 3pt line, the same goes for floaters and lay ups ... So maybe the game engine describe then wrong, and people shot pretty often with such style from the 3pt line, and good search the contact when making this shoots ...

This explains the less averages(oh no) 3pt percentages in the game, and the amount of fouls make in the backcourt. But in this case, the BB should handle the case even more ;)

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Date: 1/21/2009 10:23:55 AM
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Thanks for the discussion.

My point was just what Crazyeye said. Even if you are bad at OD, you should be more likely to leave the shooters open. I don't think in NBA, you see bad defenders fouling shooters a lot.

As someone said, it is just not logical that Jason Kapono can be fouled a few times a game shooting threes. If you watch Raptors games, he rarely gets fouled at the three point line, even by crappy defenders. And we know how good Jason is at JS and JR. Look up how many foul shots he has taken this season.

Anyways, I know some will disagree, but that's okay.

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Date: 1/21/2009 11:15:38 AM
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Jason Kapono is a nobody... It would be dumb to foul him behind the arc but it still happens.

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