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97586.8 in reply to 97586.7
Date: 6/18/2009 4:43:23 AM
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if so wat about my team??

SG
Weekly salary: $ 4 607
DMI: 29600
Age: 29
Height: 6'1" / 185 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: average Handling: respectable
Driving: strong Passing: awful
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: pitiful Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: inept

Experience: awful

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PG
Weekly salary: $ 5 329
DMI: 11600
Age: 22
Height: 6'3" / 190 cm
Potential: 6th man
Game Shape: average

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: awful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: average ↑ Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious

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SF
Weekly salary: $ 5 214
DMI: 10900
Age: 32
Height: 6'4" / 193 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: mediocre

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: inept Handling: inept
Driving: inept Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: average

Experience: respectable


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PF
Weekly salary: $ 8 123
DMI: 56300
Age: 30
Height: 6'9" / 206 cm
Potential: allstar *
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: inept Handling: inept
Driving: awful Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: strong

Experience: mediocre


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C
Weekly salary: $ 4 609
DMI: 10600
Age: 26
Height: 6'10" / 208 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: average

Jump Shot: pitiful Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: mediocre
Driving: respectable Passing: awful
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: inept Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious

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Which offences should i use???


P.S. sry for wrong spelling

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97586.9 in reply to 97586.8
Date: 6/18/2009 4:53:14 AM
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Patient or Low Post. Not 100% sure.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 6/18/2009 5:55:12 AM
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It's complete BS that PF does not matter in outside tactics. PF shoot a lot of 3-s when the opposition PF has a low OD value.
To everyone else: the point of this game is that you figure the best tactic out yourself (depending on you're current opponent). It's smart to mix up offences not just use one offence and one defence. Those teams are the easiest to play against because they are predictable.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 6/18/2009 7:58:34 AM
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It's smart to mix up offences not just use one offence and one defence. Those teams are the easiest to play against because they are predictable.


it's pretty easy to predict an loose against Torööö, even if you know his tactics before the game. And afaik he is running it from the beginning - and you could see that with other extremly succesfull teams, too.

I think in the club is it a solid strategy to concentrate on a main weapon, and make this hard to stop.
Even if i thinking to have a rooster who could play different tactics, is more fun and also could be succesful.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 6/18/2009 8:19:16 AM
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That's an extreme example. To bring in a team that would win pretty much all of his games with any tactic.
If he has every player outside oriented, then perhaps he will take the hit with the new game engine:P

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 6/18/2009 11:11:44 AM
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That's an extreme example. To bring in a team that would win pretty much all of his games with any tactic.
If he has every player outside oriented, then perhaps he will take the hit with the new game engine:P


the thing is that he come to this point with exactly this style ;) So he got early succes with it(and not through trading), which gives him lot additional income to be such a dominating team.

I could gice you example who aren't that succesfull, but did you know them who they mean something for you? But if you look at the first two BBB, there are nearly all teams focussed on one offense, in the late rounds. I don't followed the other one's, so i can not say that this have change or not - but focussing on one offense seems to be a legitimate and succesfull tactic.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 6/18/2009 12:22:11 PM
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Are you serious? The game has changed a lot, compared to the game he started with.
BC Törööö has play a lot of different tactics. He might be stronger inside but you can not just play 2-3 against him every time or he burns you from the outside. Are actually giving newcomers advice to keep playing just one tactic. My god.
Whoever is reading this and just started please feel free to test out strategies and you can not win every game fielding 4 Centers and a PG + playing inside.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 6/18/2009 12:29:38 PM
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Whoever is reading this and just started please feel free to test out strategies and you can not win every game fielding 4 Centers and a PG + playing inside.


thats right, because more then two was bullshit ;)

BC Törööö has play a lot of different tactics. He might be stronger inside but you can not just play 2-3 against him every time or he burns you from the outside. Are actually giving newcomers advice to keep playing just one tactic. My god.


there are also young team who made it sucessful, other famous old teams who made it Hambourgh Bulls Run and Gun, Hip Hop Hooray(look inside), the dying Springfield Drunkers(look inside). This list could be completed with a lot other strong teams.

And in germany Stallions run and gun, Augustiner mainly outside nearly no inside offence, TSV Bogen Look Inside(take a look at their guard, and their games and opponents please). To take just the teams in first league ;)

In the defence you most be able to vary your style, in the offense also specialisation is a key.

Edit: Also you should think about that the game doesn't change, maybe they just get more vairiabel because on this level you have high optimated roosters. His opponent, won't have a chanche to match up his center when he trains then a while, or his shooting guards especially when they try to balance all out.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/18/2009 12:32:27 PM

From: Kukoc

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Date: 6/18/2009 12:42:16 PM
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You do not seem to understand the point.
If you play run&gun every game. I play mixed tactics the whole year. Now we play you have to guess where I attack from, I will always play 1-3-1 against you. Giving me a better chance to win on having the perfect tactic.
We are not talking about the old teams. It's pointless.
The new game engine should change the high IS skill guards effectivness for the inside tactics.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 6/18/2009 1:02:28 PM
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If you play run&gun every game. I play mixed tactics the whole year. Now we play you have to guess where I attack from, I will always play 1-3-1 against you. Giving me a better chance to win on having the perfect tactic.


and you don't getting the point that you could make this and still loosing, because the attack is so strong. You say i live in the past, i say the game engfine was the same so why this shouldn't work in the new days?

All these team i called above, have dominated the BB world with limited tactics. Even the top 16 teams in BBB, mainly attack with their good site, and get the propper defense when playing it(should i say that they was succesfull?).

The trend stoppped a bit, while he engine counts with relative and not absolute values(which BB Forest will change in the new engine at least for rebounding).

It is no bad idea, first to train the offensive skill from your training and then overwhelm your opponents, and you could take this game for a long time and don't have to sell trainees to get similiar players on the other position, it is enough to strengthen then with an eyeon their defensive qualitys.

Did you look at tsv bogen(very good example, he was promoting to the german bundesliga with a very cheap rooster in comparision to his opponents and runs 2:2 currently without guards), or the old BBB tournaments?


From: Kukoc

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Date: 6/18/2009 1:38:01 PM
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I said if the other team is way stronger you will lose with any tactic. Yes you figured it out they MAINLY attack with their better offence.
It's pointless to argue with you.
The teams that started in early seasons have dominated because they had way more money and have a big cap compared to teams who started now.
I'm done with this topic.
Conclusion: if you want to have a onesided team play one tactic and do not be surprised if every oponent plays the same defence against you're team.
If you want to be smart you creat an all around team and keep you're opponents guessing.

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