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From: Digler

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I live in Kentucky. (Big Louisville fan). I can tell you that college basketball is king of all sports around here. Not even close.

I believe I once saw a graphic from ESPN that showed the states and what their number one favorite sport from the fans in that state voting in a poll. Only 2 states had college basketball as their favorite overall sport. Kentucky and North Carolina. So to me that means those two states are where college basketball is most fanatical.

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What really differentiates it from MLS (even to my wife's eyes) is the pace and effort that they put into it.


Depends though, MLS games in the fall are alot faster then MLS games in the summer. Running for 90 in sun, heat and humidity is a bit harder then in England where none of those occur very often.

Funny, I went to a few Leeds matches about 10 years ago when they were in the UEFA cup. Still can't believe what happened to that extremely promising young team.


I still remember the backheel pass to Viduka for the only goal in a game to KO Lazio from the Champions League like it was yesterday, and the tiny sliver of Leeds supporters going bonkers.

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What really differentiates it from MLS (even to my wife's eyes) is the pace and effort that they put into it.


Depends though, MLS games in the fall are alot faster then MLS games in the summer. Running for 90 in sun, heat and humidity is a bit harder then in England where none of those occur very often. :)

Funny, I went to a few Leeds matches about 10 years ago when they were in the UEFA cup. Still can't believe what happened to that extremely promising young team.


I still remember the backheel pass to Viduka for the only goal in a game to KO Lazio from the Champions League like it was yesterday, and the tiny sliver of Leeds supporters going bonkers.


Im dreading Benitez taking Liverpool the same way O'Leary took Leeds. Still salvageable (just) and the only reason Benitez is staying is so Madrid will have to pay his compensation to leave rather than us but O'Learys wage generosity and frivelous spending was just off the radar. For £5mil back then (a few % of what he spunked up the wall) he couldve employed a manager to make the decisions he couldnt and Leeds maybe wouldve kept mixing it up with the big boys these last few seasons.

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Most of the EPL clubs are so far in debt, you can be pretty sure that at least one or two of them will see the same fate as Leeds. Portsmouth is already bankrupt, and both Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea have huge debts :

A report by UK newspaper The Guardian claims that the debt owed by the 20 English Premier League clubs amounts to £3.1 billion.

The Guardian reports that accounts for the clubs, mostly documenting the year to May, June or July 2008, show that FA chairman Lord Triesman underestimated the level of debt in English football, which he put at £3 billion in total last October, including the Football League clubs and the FA.

Manchester United and Chelsea lead the debtor’s table, owing £699 million and £701 million respectively. Arsenal were third with £416 million in debts. Liverpool owe around £280 million.


The Guardian's paper was from 09. Top clubs in Italy and Spain aren't in a much better financial shape. Leeds led the way but there could be other similar stories in the years to come.

As to why soccer will never be a major pro sport in the US, someone mentioned that a soccer game isn't formated like other pro sports there, that's the main reason. Now, do we have to conclude that americans have shorter attention spans than the rest of the world ? Nah, I wouldn't dare to suggest that

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As to why soccer will never be a major pro sport in the US


Just to clarify, soccer doesn't need to surpass any of the top 4 or 5 (Baseball, Basketball, Football, Hockey..Nascar?) to afford to support rosters that cost on par with the stronger european leagues. All MLS needs to do is continue their slow but steady model and win over the already existing soccer fans in the country. I don't care what it takes for MLS to be considered "major" in the US market, as the competition for players is global. Patience, the top 4 in the US weren't in great financial shape at year 15 either.

Now, do we have to conclude that americans have shorter attention spans than the rest of the world ?


Debunked, see: Major League Baseball

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As to why soccer will never be a major pro sport in the US


Just to clarify, soccer doesn't need to surpass any of the top 4 or 5 (Baseball, Basketball, Football, Hockey..Nascar?) to afford to support rosters that cost on par with the stronger european leagues. All MLS needs to do is continue their slow but steady model and win over the already existing soccer fans in the country. I don't care what it takes for MLS to be considered "major" in the US market, as the competition for players is global. Patience, the top 4 in the US weren't in great financial shape at year 15 either.

Now, do we have to conclude that americans have shorter attention spans than the rest of the world ?


Debunked, see: Major League Baseball :)

MLS have a ridicoulous CBA with the players with a too low salary cup to attract the kids playing sovver instead any of the other sports in america(not only the big 4),and to buy some good player not at the end of the career
MLS teams lose against the teams of their continent,who aren't exactlly the top in the world(only the mexicans teams are of a competitive level,and they plays with the southamerican teams form many many many many years)

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MLS have a ridicoulous CBA with the players with a too low salary cup


It's the CBA and strict salary cap that allowed the league to survive the first 10 years. It's much more stable now and teams apparently aren't bleeding money anymore, mostly due to securing their own stadiums and all the revenue streams that come along with them. MLS is expanding every season and the fees to buy a team have gone up in multiples over the years. The owners will loosen their purse-strings over time, but these billionaires don't become so wealthy by giving their money away and making bad business choices. They know what their doing and have positioned themselves very well to not only survive, but grow over the last couple years during the brutal financial environment.

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MLS have a ridicoulous CBA with the players with a too low salary cup


It's the CBA and strict salary cap that allowed the league to survive the first 10 years. It's much more stable now and teams apparently aren't bleeding money anymore, mostly due to securing their own stadiums and all the revenue streams that come along with them. MLS is expanding every season and the fees to buy a team have gone up in multiples over the years. The owners will loosen their purse-strings over time, but these billionaires don't become so wealthy by giving their money away and making bad business choices. They know what their doing and have positioned themselves very well to not only survive, but grow over the last couple years during the brutal financial environment.

With this pace,MLS will need at least other tens and tens of years to reach a competitive level.Now it's the time for a first great step,or Mls will not be even the first Usa championnship

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