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From: yodabig

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Date: 9/23/2011 9:56:21 AM
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I am a big fan of superstar potential myself. However for new players they can't afford them. We will have to agree to disagree about the costs of getting those allstars but don't forget I am talking about 19 year olds after the draft. They are literally given away. The player I wanted to draft myself was a 6'0" $4,000 superstar potential 19 year old who was picked one place ahead of me and sold for $3,000. Everyone wants 18, but as a new player at that time you can get some incredible bargains on 19 year olds.

Right now I am training two superstar potential guys (and an all-star) with a level 6 trainer, but new teams just can't afford the players or the trainer. I think we agree about what is the best thing to do.

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 9/23/2011 9:56:40 AM
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I don't remember referencing the salaries of his players.
I think that is you trying to condenscend me assuming that I thought his team was doing better than yours because his players had better salaries or something. I never said anything about salaries. I don't know why you pack of division IV and V guys think you know everything about buzzerbeater and insist to talk to me like i am a moron, call me names, and just generally go on and on about how correct you are and how your strategies are the best and most dominate in the game.


Let me explain what happened here and then you decide what you want to make of it:
1. Arthur Monay posts about how my salaries are roughly 70k/wk less, which is close to $1M in savings.
2. I point out (to Arthur) that it's easier to just look at the weekly amount and figure that's how much profit per week more he'd need in trading to break even, and point out that just looking at salaries doesn't tell the whole story (staff, arena, etc)
3. You say (to me, response to that post) he hasn't done well trading recently.
4. I say (in response to your post) that it's possible to make money trading, regardless of whether or not he's doing it at the current time, and say that the whole intent of my post, directed to Arthur, was that comparing the salaries doesn't tell the whole story.

Now, with that explanation, if you're offended that I mentioned salaries in the context of the original post in that string that was explicitly about salaries, and thought I meant you brought it up, I apologize. I was responding in the context of that facet of the discussion, and while I thought it was fairly clear what I was talking about at that point, it may not have been.

And with that aside, I know for a fact I've never called you names, called you a moron, or claimed anything about how my strategy is either dominant or absolutely correct. This whole thing started because *YOU* said, among other things:
"Thinking that training is possilbe at your level in the game. This is not really your fault. One would hope this game is set to reward you for training your own players...that really only happens in small nations where they have the finances or established teams taht bought pre created players at around 22. Its just the way they set this game up."
"You are in Division IV dude....either you just started last year or training has not got you anywhere near where daytrading would. Personal results?? Are you kidding? Would you like to see my track record for training?"

So I attempted to point out that training *IS* possible, and it is quite feasible to succeed in V and IV in the USA with a strong focus on training. And while I appreciate that you have a friend here, who appears to have found himself relatively successful as well, this doesn't make you the ultimate expert on this level. I certainly don't presume to lecture people on how to build their teams at higher levels or even say that my way is the only way here; but having lived the V to IV experience personally gives me just a little bit of credibility, okay.

None of you has earned a million in your first season have you? I spend more on my arena my first season than you did on your entire team.


None of us started in II, either. (Well, I did with my original team in season 2, but I logged in once or twice, and did absolutely nothing with it).

How about how far he got in the cup last season? Now there is a team strength indicator. YOu can also look at game ratings.


Except the cup is random draw and different people put different emphasis on it. (I focus on league primarily, personally, and thus am stunningly unsuccessful and not at all concerned). But don't come at me with game ratings. If you want to be offended that (you thought that) I argued about the importance of salaries, especially, putting focus in the game ratings is absurd for the same reason - they provide an incomplete picture

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Date: 9/23/2011 10:06:53 AM
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I hope I am not offending anyone but I know a funny story about USA division V. A guy was in division V in USA the season before the salary floor came in. He had three 18 year old trainees but besides them just bought players for $1,000 each week, won most of his games, fired them before sunday night and paid close to nothing each week in salaries. He won his division doing that and was promoted. I don't know how much he made but it was a fortune!

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 9/23/2011 10:07:55 AM
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These guys are not talking about U21 potentials or high potentials. They are talking about scrubs. they are talkign about turning low potentials into 1million dollar players.


No, at least as far as I am concerned, I was talking about turning "star" potential trainees into guys that can help you succeed in V and IV in the USA, while you do other sensible things like pick up cheaper veterans at other positions and push money into your arena. If you were speaking exclusively about small countries, of course, that's a different matter that I don't really feel qualified to discuss and will gladly yield on that.

From: yodabig

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Date: 9/23/2011 10:10:08 AM
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Cool. Well obviously when discussing sensational guys I am not expecting them to dominate the JBBL or the B3; but as solid backups that don't get you killed and keep your offensive flow up and who can fill in minutes as needed at PG, SG or SF I think they are really useful and cost effective. (And sell for around a million dollars.)

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Date: 9/23/2011 10:13:50 AM
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First thing, you can draft good rookies very easily in this game contrary to popular belief. I have literally made 3.5 million dollars off of selling rookies in the last 4 seasons...only one season out of the four I didn't make over 800k and that was because I kept all three players.(some I trained for a year, some I sold after a few weeks)

Not including the one I kept, who has decent value as he's fairly versatile.


Weekly salary: $ 6 788
Role: regular starter
(BuzzerBeta)

DMI: 58300
Age: 19
Height: 6'4" / 193 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable ↑ Handling: tremendous
Driving: tremendous Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: average Free Throw: awful

The point being, I have no intention of selling him as I only spend a meagre 140k per season in scouting(his value is worth more than that alone, and with the money I made from the other players he was all but free. And he's extremely serviceable at any level up to about DII which I won't be in for a while. A level 5 trainer and he's rapidly improving and should be a pretty tremendous point guard for me in the Patient offense.

I could easily fetch around 500k for him as well if I wanted to go that route.

Secondly, I made a huge amount of money selling players and I simply BOUGHT a high potential(MVP) small forward prospect. When you do it correctly, you can buy them very cheap. I only spent 400k for this trainee who I will be training until he's 27. Obviously not very money inefficient.....truth be told, I have plenty of it, and turn a sizable profit every week. My only regret was being impatient and overpaying for some of my stars on my team right now. But there is literally no reason not to train at any level.

Last edited by Amarestars at 9/23/2011 10:14:28 AM

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Date: 9/23/2011 10:15:55 AM
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I hope I am not offending anyone but I know a funny story about USA division V. A guy was in division V in USA the season before the salary floor came in. He had three 18 year old trainees but besides them just bought players for $1,000 each week, won most of his games, fired them before sunday night and paid close to nothing each week in salaries. He won his division doing that and was promoted. I don't know how much he made but it was a fortune!


Oh, absolutely! Getting out of most V series really just involves understanding what game shape is, and if you have the sense to bank enthusiasm that pretty much almost clinches it.

From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 9/23/2011 10:17:57 AM
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so lets move on...i hope. If yall have anymore to say I'll be polite and respond, but at this point I could see it going in a circle again and maybe not a good road to go down.


Please do keep responding if you think you have anything to add! While I really don't see myself being a trader, the different perspectives are always good, as long as nobody is preaching too hard. ;)

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