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155261.81 in reply to 155261.80
Date: 10/14/2010 10:06:27 AM
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Since people started asking Joseph Ka in the other thread to start investigating skill caps, I guess people have already forgotten about this study! Yes, I have taken some time off. I am going to wait until I have at least 100 data points before saying anything further. And at the current pace - I am guessing it will be at least another two seasons before I will be talking again.

By the way, this has been a bit of a frustrating excercise, since it has been a lot of work for very little return so far. But rest assured that I am still working on it and I will continue to do so until I have solid answers. However, I need the community's support, there is no getting around that.

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155261.82 in reply to 155261.81
Date: 10/14/2010 10:11:24 AM
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I haven't forgotten about your study, but I also think Ka's statistics and training help gould be greatly improved by taking the cap into account. So I would like this study to succeed as soon as possible. Why don't you just combine your data with Josef Ka to get there faster and help the community?

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155261.84 in reply to 155261.82
Date: 10/14/2010 2:36:21 PM
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Why don't you just combine your data with Josef Ka to get there faster and help the community?


I have already been in contact with him about this study and will continue to be in touch with him and others as the need arises. As I have said before, I will not be sharing the data, although Josef is the one person I would share with if he asked (provided no one who sent me data had an issue with it).

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155261.85 in reply to 155261.81
Date: 10/15/2010 8:39:43 AM
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It's not about doing one or the other. Tho different methods resulting in converging results would be most satisfying for everyone, dont you think? This is really a key project, more important than the simulation of ratings, in my view.

Edit: I can provide you data for a capped player in 1.5 seasons or so. Nothing for the moment.

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155261.86 in reply to 155261.11
Date: 10/15/2010 8:49:36 AM
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But it only does an ok job of estimating allstar players. And even then, sometimes there are weird results. Of course, this is almost certainly because most of the data points come from allstar potential players, but that's another story. Also, weird players who capped with a lot of outside d or inside shot would really help.
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How do the weird all-star players look like? What does their profiel suggest?

The player that I mentioned before will be allstar SF, that is either going to cap with OD or IS. (I wonder if he could cap as an SF with IS as it is neutral to salary).

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155261.87 in reply to 155261.85
Date: 10/15/2010 10:04:51 AM
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Tho different methods resulting in converging results would be most satisfying for everyone, dont you think? This is really a key project, more important than the simulation of ratings, in my view.


I am not sure what you mean here. What are the different methods? How do these methods work in the absence of data?

Edit: I can provide you data for a capped player in 1.5 seasons or so. Nothing for the moment.


I am looking forward to it.

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155261.88 in reply to 155261.86
Date: 10/15/2010 10:07:31 AM
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How do the weird all-star players look like? What does their profiel suggest?


My post above was not referring to weird players but rather weird results from the model (like no contribution from outside d). However, others pointed to some flaws in the model and the lack of data. So until I have a better data set and a better model, any findings are bound to be a bit weird (and highly inaccurate).

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155261.89 in reply to 155261.87
Date: 10/15/2010 10:30:47 AM
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I was assuming without knowing that you would model capping in a different way. If you come to the same conclusions, that would be reassuring. Especially, if there is not a lot of data (or data with limited heterogeneity).

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155261.90 in reply to 155261.89
Date: 10/22/2010 6:23:26 AM
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I'm trying work out whether my Star potential Guard has capped. He has 81 skills including an 11,12 & 13 among guard skills.

Would that suggest he has capped and the data be sent to you?
He's dropping out of the training rotation anyway, so let me know whether you think you can use the data.

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155261.91 in reply to 155261.90
Date: 10/22/2010 9:30:18 AM
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First: thanks for getting in touch with me.

Now, in terms of your question, I really don't know. The only way I can for sure know if players have capped is by looking at their training history, age and height and making a guess (ie: 5 weeks inside shot training for a 21 year old, 7 foot player without a pop means he is capped).

Run of the Mill Canadian Manager
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