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182276.81 in reply to 182276.75
Date: 5/2/2011 5:00:11 AM
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Charles has said 2-3 isn't broken


Here is a very superficial study.

BB-Charles used it once in a league game and lost and once to slaughter some lowly bot team in the cup.
BB-Forrest hasn't used it this season.
BB-Marin hasn't used it this season or last season.
BB-Patrick hasn't used it this season but did use it once last season. He tried it in the SF and was slaughtered.
BB-Uroš hasn't used it this season or last season.
BB-Edju hasn't used it this season.
BB-Jason hasn't used it this season.
BB-Mark has used it once this season but lost. But last season he used it 3 times!
BB-Tomer loves it! He hasn't used it this season but used last season a whopping 9 times, wow, mind you the first 5 games in which he used it he lost!

So the BBs themselves almost never use it, and when they do they lose. I will leave everyone to draw their own conclusion from this.

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182276.83 in reply to 182276.81
Date: 5/2/2011 11:13:19 AM
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I think they must have some moral code to lose in purpose. I personally would watch opponents skills all the time... even if its kind of lame.

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182276.84 in reply to 182276.83
Date: 5/3/2011 9:24:21 AM
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I have a (rather baseless, so rather pointless) theory as to why 2-3 zone doesn't work for frigging anybody.

Are you ready to hear it anyway?

OK, here it is: The point guard is important.

I know, can you believe it? It sounds crazy, but the guy bringing the ball up the floor actually needs to be guarded by someone or he's in danger of setting up a successful offense, which could lead to points or other such nonsense.

I'm not in the mood to dig up the matchids, but I'm certain I've seen a few games where a powerful LI team was thwarted by a 3-2 zone with lots of OD. I'm thinking Heathens pulled it off at least once, but can't be arsed to check.

As little sense as it makes, has anyone tried playing a 1-3-1 against LI teams?

Last edited by darykjozef at 5/3/2011 9:25:01 AM

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182276.86 in reply to 182276.85
Date: 5/4/2011 12:19:48 PM
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Yeah, after I posted I went through the trouble of finding his match history. It seems massive OD works best against LI teams, which is friggin retarded.

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182276.88 in reply to 182276.81
Date: 5/4/2011 6:01:48 PM
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I'm saddened that this has four balls, because it's utterly illogical. I'd think that anyone who's read this thread would realize the possibility that the BBs didn't use 2-3 because there is an insufficient number of players in the BB-verse trained to excel in 2-3.

Not to pick on you specifically, but I hope the argument doesn't get reduced to baseless points like this one. It's almost as bad as political debate now.

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182276.89 in reply to 182276.88
Date: 5/4/2011 6:18:17 PM
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I'm saddened that this has four balls, because it's utterly illogical. I'd think that anyone who's read this thread would realize the possibility that the BBs didn't use 2-3 because there is an insufficient number of players in the BB-verse trained to excel in 2-3.

Not to pick on you specifically, but I hope the argument doesn't get reduced to baseless points like this one. It's almost as bad as political debate now.


Not to pick on you specifically but I am saddened that you can't see the logic of my (superficial) study. The experts don't use it much and when they do they don't succeed.

I am even more saddened to see you retreat to the tired and worn out last line of defence that has been fought over so many times where the defenders of the 2/3 say, "it works fine, you just need a team where everyone had 14 OD, 14 ID and 14 SB to make it work." Absurd!

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182276.90 in reply to 182276.89
Date: 5/4/2011 6:59:27 PM
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It's not logical whatsoever! There are many possible reasons for why the experts aren't using it. Assuming that the reason must be "because it's broken" is illogical by definition.

Nice straw man/appeal to ridicule combo in that last paragraph. Just what we don't need in this debate. I'll stick to defending the points I've actually made, thanks.

Last edited by RiseandFire at 5/4/2011 7:00:00 PM

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182276.91 in reply to 182276.90
Date: 5/4/2011 8:21:44 PM
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If 2-3 isn't "broken," (ie there is indeed a certain type of team/player build that can benefit from using 2-3 zone regularly), then it holds little effectiveness in this game, as an incredibly small amount of people have these "2-3 zone" teams and hence had success with it.

Therefore, it needs to be scrapped or tweaked to favour other attributes, because of its ineffectiveness. I'd use Full Court Press before a 2-3.

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