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252784.82 in reply to 252784.77
Date: 12/29/2013 3:24:09 PM
Petrosian Club Montevideo
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the reason your argument can be attacked is because it assumes the "root" problem is some sort on lack of democracy in winning. Maybe you think the game should be set to allow everybody to win now and then.

It is GOOD for the game that managers that ACTUALLY train their guys win. Why would that be a bad thing? It is GOOD reasoning that profitable teams actually have the better chance at winning. I have a 103k tax exemption [I'm in green pastures now, so no need to use the exemption] and will gladly take a -50k tax-free economic flow when the push for the championship comes. I have a big arena, with great prices, plus great employees with specialties, and I would definitively NOT feel good about a dumb manager with a 6000-seats arena that will only buy some 100k salary dude to knock it off from time to time. True: this tax won't eliminate those managers [nobody can be idealist enough to believe that] but it will make their cycle of runs harder and perharps you can say some will just abandon the game or get into a more competitive managing.

I don't mind with "the same people" winning always. What I do mind are the reasons why they do it. I know guys in D.I that at the offseason will change basically their entire starting five, and maybe even all the bench. High salary players, going cheaper now in the market, will always be available for them [suppose these players have no tax exemption]. BUT will also be available for ME. So if these guys have to pay 50 cents for every dollar they overextend, I find that quite good. Actually, I would institue a REPEATER penalty: If you pay at any time in a season OT, then next season, goes for 75%, and so on, something similar to the repeater penalty progression in the NBA new CBA.

And for that team manager that thinks he's the Brooklyn Nets or the New York Yankees, well, I wish you good luck and hope you go play something else in the near future.

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252784.83 in reply to 252784.81
Date: 12/29/2013 6:17:42 PM
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yours is included) and we will write soon a post answering officially to all of these so please be a little patient



Thankyou

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252784.84 in reply to 252784.82
Date: 12/30/2013 2:31:23 AM
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It is GOOD reasoning that profitable teams actually have the better chance at winning.


My point exactly so not sure why the hell you are attacking me. This change doesnt help profitable teams in the slightest. In fact, all it does is encourage teams who have trained players (something I support regardless of what your ill-advised statements suggest) to tank/bank while training and then overspend (or buy if you will) a championship.

Maybe you think the game should be set to allow everybody to win now and then.

Please do not attempt to put words in my mouth, particularly ones as moronic as that. I fully support the managers who put in the time and effort and do what is necessary to build a sustainable winning franchise season after season. Look at King Drive Ballers for example. 5 NBBA (USA Div I) championships 3 time runner up, 9 USA cup wins 3 time runner up, and has made the B3 quarterfinals 3 times in the last 4 seasons. I have nothing against him and dont wish to see any rules that would be detrimental to them simply because they would help a lower division team such as myself. So again, do not think I think the game should be structured so everyone can win "from time to time" as that is moronic and defeats the purpose of competition.

Back to my original statements:
Is every poster in this thread running a team in the red or are you all just excited at the idea of how easy it will be to buy a championship when your trainees and bank are ready for the big push?

To which you reply:
I have a 103k tax exemption [I'm in green pastures now, so no need to use the exemption] and will gladly take a -50k tax-free economic flow when the push for the championship comes.

So the short answer is yes. You are simply excited for your opportunity to exploit the rules for personal gain rather than the betterment of BB as a whole. Right on dude.

I believe I was correct and will reiterate...
I see no benefit from this. it simply changes who will take advantage of the system rather than tackling the root cause.



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252784.85 in reply to 252784.84
Date: 12/30/2013 4:46:45 AM
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First, I'm not attacking you, "dude". I attack your particular reasoning here.

Second, the flaw in your point resides in thinking that "managers like me who are about to exploit this rule for 'personal gain'" [nevermind that it is REALLY moronic to think a sim sport game like BB offers some sort of "communal" gain or any gain other than the personal, but whatever] is not equivalent to "the betterment of BB". It has no base. Perhaps it would fit the argument if you please explained that SO SELF-EVIDENT thing called "the betterment of BB".

Third, what was the crime about "personal gain"? Are you some sort of the BB-Gandhi? My "personal gain" here is to have fun playing this game; I'm not clinically depressed just because a rookie went banking on a fellow I was bidding for, nope, not at all. Yes, I seek personal gains, thank you, Mr. Gandhi for defending the game "as a whole" and calling me out for being "egotistical" about it.

Fourth, you see,to train players doesn't imply sine qua non "to tank/bank"; you could actually tank/bank better without training, since you don't have to spend on draft points or trainer [salary, plus the bid for any decent one; plus if you have a trainee mildly decent in upper divisions you need at least a lvl 5] I know many old managers who have spent some serious time in DI -my country has an effective 3-division playing field- and have developed NT players without tanking/banking; besides, what's the problem with "banking"? I didn't know that to have a good economic surplus, so you can buy a tough 150k center or point guard, was against the "betterment" of BB. You -or whoever- horde money, so what? You call for "betterment" of BB but nobody knows what you mean here, since you just throw it like if it was a self-evident argument. And "the root cause"? The root cause for what? For the "betterment" of BB? What would make BB better and why, that is the question you plant here on the fly, like if it would have such an obvious one-issue answer.

For me, the OT doesn't do ANYTHING, so I take no personal direct advantage from it. I built my arena, trained my guys, have my balance, and have fun playing it. When I'll be all good to fight promotion [I might be, but I want to finish the training of my guys], I will hire some decent free agent gentleman, or reshape the roster, etc, etc, no big deal: this will cost me just equally as if there were no OT in the first place. Of course, I will be happy when rookies destroy their team by overexpending or short-rivals start paying extra 50 cents for every red dollar, so, yes, the system will favor me, it will "change" who benefits from it: from the rookies/dumb-managers/short-term guys it will change to guys like me, who spend in the draft, bid for staff employees and find satisfaction in training at least some U21 gentleman. What's the problem with that? Why is that not equivalent to "a better BB"?

Any more arguing is senseless at this point [or at least in these parameters]. I think there are bigger issues to make BB better than this OT. Besides, I don't remember the BBs and the GMs saying this OT reform was some sort of the-mother-of-all-reforms. It's a reform, a good one -in my view-, a game changer?, maybe, perhaps not. It will benefit me indirectly, and I like it. But, please, don't play the Mandela game here.

Now, I find, e.g., more important the problem of disbalance between few-teams countries against highly populated countries. Some of the former have basically 4, 5, 6 players in DI, and you can check their transfer balances and they run in the red ink for zillions of money; while, for the latter, you can find very competitive managers all the way to DV. To me, these two type of countries just play entirely different games of BuzzerBeater. Another issue, farm teams. Etc, etc. I think those issues have more weight into the "betterment of BB" business, which you seem quite good at it, than the supposedly self-evident "root cause" of yours.

Last edited by petrosian at 12/30/2013 4:53:22 AM

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252784.87 in reply to 252784.85
Date: 12/30/2013 5:12:32 AM
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...Of course, I will be happy when rookies destroy their team...

Lines like that make it pretty evident to me that you were correct about one thing.
Any more arguing is senseless at this point

I shall not clutter this thread with further bickering.
Sincerely,
BB Gandhi

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252784.88 in reply to 252784.87
Date: 12/30/2013 5:30:50 AM
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[yawn yawn] whatever. but good "betterment" anyway. have fun!

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252784.89 in reply to 252784.86
Date: 12/30/2013 5:32:27 AM
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Well if you don't have already saw it here is the official answers (252782.72) and (252782.73)



Sincere thanks for forwarding my question on and getting it clarified.

The Change certainly has inspired me to make some changes, with my top salary player on the market and two new staffing members being acquired today.




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252784.90 in reply to 252784.6
Date: 12/30/2013 4:57:06 PM
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its a crook of bull man , I don't agree. Because team paying a lot more for player/trainers than what they are worth, How you going to tax someone on team training management and the trainers never improve but price increase?. Even some trainers capped to start.

That not fair to a lot pay thousands of dollars for trainers and they never improve in skills but cost more and more every season, then after you fire them( full remaining salary). Just to go out to the market to do a stale trainers buy who is gong to do the same scenario. All those thousand spent should mean something rather than just wasted revenue. Trainier need to improve if going to tax on them like this.

I can understand the over the budget. What ever happen no taxation with out representation,? There was no fair warning of it , there was no vote of this.? This is a crock.. I say loud and say it now. Tax me on my money in the bank . what the hell is that??? If anything they should giving positive interest on that money saved. If they wanting to give negative impacts, why in the hell cant they give positive.?

Im bust my back to create a jump shooting team, 10 freaking seasons, now you want to tax my trainers and tax my team players just because it dipping over the budget by 10k. If I raise the seat cost I lose fans.. If I lose good player .I lose money and fans. Im suppose to get some draft rookie scrub and compete. If that's the freaking got dang case make draft freaking got dam better, speed up freaking training. Make it so a jump shooting team can dam compete. How a team suppose to win and taxing heavy on every damn thing..

They say train??. How in the hell am im not training.? I had the same pg pg since season 15, the same pf since season 17 and etc saving every cent like it was last damn real life dime . Lower freaking cost maybe I wont dipping 10k over the budget just beat LI/Lp. With same dam exact team minus a few player that I bought that are still crap in said outside shooting tactics. Compared to Li teams.


The best guard your can get for outside shooting team cost for level(division) 3 cost 80 a week. I have 60k a week one and the 30-40a week respectively and barely winning games in level 4. I put the best div 4 jump shooting team together I could with 2-4million hard earn dollars.. I didn't cheat , I didn't farm , I didn't throw games.

I played every damn the hardest to my team ability. Didn't play for enthu till this last season my 1st time ever in 10 freaking seasons of bb.


This just bad, bad dream and no water to be found to wake anyone the hell up from it.

This post was not towards you headless gunner. Only the first statement of I disagree. The rest for BB management an gm to read. They don't want to please the real fans base, they rather please few. If got all they got all the answers then close the damn forums what you need them for?

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 12/30/2013 5:00:44 PM

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252784.91 in reply to 252784.90
Date: 12/30/2013 5:06:57 PM
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What?

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