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There are alot of healthy opinions and good comments in this one.. I would like to get my vote in on the next "big rfc and release" to be on the basketball/coaching side of the game. When all is said and done I think that is what draws in managers as well.. their interrest for basketball.

Peace,

-P

The new system puts new teams at an even bigger disadvantage than before, and it keeps 'old money' in the hands of those currently with it.

New teams will need to LEARN the system. Not that it's something complex, but it is different from the way most people are hired -- especialyl with a system of ever-increasing wages -- regardless of merit or anything other than time employed. Nice for a union job.

Most teams will be unable to bid on the higher end trainers. So the idea of doing something to make the game easier for the lower end managers is weakened with this addition because supply outweights damand greatly, thus only those with money will be able to buy the top open staff.

While this may seem like a way to initially get huge portions of money off the market, in reality it is not becasue there are still several people who bit wuite high who did not win and because of a lack of supply they will still have their money. Because of this they will be resigned to buy a lower tier staff member thus driving up that price, and with the remaining money will buying the newly trained players who trained at a quicker rate fromt he top level staff (still emplyed by the teams with the 'old money').

Based on the above, the average team will now be falling behind not just in revenue but in their ability to train quickly enough to keep up with the old, monied teams who have the best trainers. This will result in money flowing BACK to the old teams in larger sums and more frequently (quicker traininr and / or more trainees coming out of those clubs with top-end trainers).

I surely cannot bid on the top end trainers, so I will need to make due with the second tier (or worse) so I'll never be able to catch up with those with better trainers in either talent for my team (they train quicker than my guys) or talent to sell and thus improve my non-trained positions (they train quicker and / or more thus they get revenue more frequently, and in larger chunks).

I don't see how making it harder for a new team to compete (or even a team of a few seasons) will promote longevity, but perhaps I'm mistaken.

Most teams will be unable to bid on the higher end trainers. So the idea of doing something to make the game easier for the lower end managers is weakened with this addition because supply outweights damand greatly, thus only those with money will be able to buy the top open staff.

the top staff ain't usefull for that prices the different ain't huge, just in the price so now you had tomluck wath staff helps me most and how much i could spend on it.

I would say that actually people makes the ebst buissnes who hire level four trainer, when they need a new one ...

The benefit of old teams would be history after dismissing their first free level 5 Staff members.

If you invest that money into skill, the managers with top treainers won't catch up your trainees.

There are alot of healthy opinions and good comments in this one.. I would like to get my vote in on the next "big rfc and release" to be on the basketball/coaching side of the game. When all is said and done I think that is what draws in managers as well.. their interrest for basketball.

Peace,

-P

Here's to hoping the BBs read this thread and get some direction out of it.

Here is my personal thinking.

The new system isn't bad but very unfair. Why? Because a team must have lot of money to improve his training. When a manager take a team, he hasn't much money. In that order, he won't hire the optimal trainer and the old managers (they that have already played 3 seasons or more) have bigger arenas, a better roster and so.

The will hire the level 7 coach and will make a profitable step trading. But in this moment, other people - like me - can't do that even if we win matches, with this small arena and with less supporters we won't get that level. This means that always will exist a deep difference between us.

In summary... if we hire high level trainer we can't afford players or make a big arena. The economy will be very affected by this measure... Remember that the BB's reduced the incomes in teams...

Sorry for my english!

The second is that yes, the biggest teams have more opportunities. That's why unlike some other management games, in BuzzerBeater a team should never refuse promotion; when you promote, we try to immediately put you in a situation where you can be competitive with the other teams in your new division, and similarly when you demote, we try to prevent demoted teams from automatically being the best in their league.

That´s clear.

The first is that as I've said in the past, except for teams where slightly increasing the skills of their players is very, very valuable, a level 7 trainer probably loses them money, since that money would be better spent improving their players via the transfer market.

Can U explain me (or somebody else) this part? I suppose U refer to training programs. For example, one of my players is in the U21 NT... I don't have the money to hire a Lv 7 Trainer... My arena is just over the 6000 seats... and I have only 9 players... and three trainables guys... All because I want to promote... but, as I say before, the new system is no bad but U need money... lot of money...

I suppose that you can say goodbye to NT player from Colombian 3rd league, however you have still an option to be competitive even with level 5 coach, because is cheeper and have not so different affect. That means top teams will have better trainers, however only slightly better for much more money. It has an logic in this context.

However It still might means that best way with higher level than 5 is to train by one phase or by only some two phases like one on one or rebounding or so, however it also means their team's slower training boost, which sounds cool

Last edited by Iordanou at 10/30/2008 3:48:21 PM

The first is that as I've said in the past, except for teams where slightly increasing the skills of their players is very, very valuable, a level 7 trainer probably loses them money, since that money would be better spent improving their players via the transfer market.

Can U explain me (or somebody else) this part? I suppose U refer to training programs. For example, one of my players is in the U21 NT... I don't have the money to hire a Lv 7 Trainer... My arena is just over the 6000 seats... and I have only 9 players... and three trainables guys... All because I want to promote... but, as I say before, the new system is no bad but U need money... lot of money...

When you buy a level 7 trainer, the idea is that your players receive more training than they would with a level 5 trainer. However, this comes at a cost: first, sinking a pile of money to buy the trainer, and then paying a significantly higher wage every week.

The bottom line is that from the point of view of making money, it is probably more effective to buy a level 5 trainer, and keep the extra money that you would have paid for the level 7 trainer.

That's, of course, if you're a masochist and you want to pay double for a minimal percentage increase in training.

That's, of course, if you're a masochist and you want to pay double for a minimal percentage increase in training.

How much minimal would it actually be?

Perhaps, the difference between having 17 instead of 15 in an importante skill, in let's say, 3 to 5/6 players... how much money will you win at moment of the sell for that difference?