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people, welcome to the democracy!

knetch, you loved the implementation of democracy, but now you mad because your option lost? and you threaten to abandon the game? let's rephrase that last eufemism and state it as it actually is: you're trying to hijack the BBs in front of all the BB community and trying to make their administration of the game a hostage of your threat to leave in the public BB forum. I think the BBs are strong enough and have been running this game long enough to handle this hijacking of yours, and sincerily, I don't think you're the first one to try this. Do you think this solves the problem? How about WAITING to see the specifics and the results of this new idea of second teams? Uh?

now, to users like knetch: the game and the BBs CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT please everybody. you my friend might think your rationale behind the argument of invading small nations with second teams is better. But there are many other, MANY OTHERS, that don't. And I wouldn't call the initial 40%-Nays-poll against second teams "a landslide victory". So let's please all stop talking like if our rationale was the most obvious, self-evident truth in the world, and the guy arguing agains't our rationale is basically an idiot that doesn't know anything.

Use democracy to express your stand in this matter, but abuse it to your own detriment.

So take it easy, my friend. LET'S WAIT to see what the package really is instead of barking nonsense.

Last edited by petrosian at 2/16/2014 3:23:36 PM

I kind of misunderstood the purpose of voting, I thought you proposed clearly and definitely (I belive this can be deduced from the original post) the idea of having a second team for supporters in the country other than the primary team's, and the voting was organized as a kind of a referendum to see whether this idea should be implemented and how. At the end, howewer, you dropped the original idea and substituted it with one of the ideas that originated during the debate, but nevertheless you used the results of the voting cast on the topic of the original idea to legitimize that new idea, although in fact that voting shows the attitude of the community just on the original idea, not on the new one. This fact, that you basically used the voting just as rough guidelines on the users' sentiments and not as the modality of decision making, somehow stripped you of your original purpose, of involving community in decision-making process, since you reached the decision on your own and not by following the voting results. I am not saying this is bad, especially bearing in mind this Utopia project is of no concern for any user not involved directly with it, but I believe in future you should state more clearly what is the true purpose of voting.

i think the BB was very clear. here, let's take a look:

"Here are some POSIBBLE specifications of the secondary team idea, in the form of some restrictions and rules. In all aspects other than the ones mentioned bellow, the secondary team would behave as a completely new team. Also, the link between the primary and secondary team would be clearly and publicly visible. If you have any objections or possible better solutions, we welcome your replies."

and the question to vote was this:

"Should BB develop the second team for Supporters feature (EVEN IF I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS STATED IN THIS POST)?"

So... I think it was clear that this was not cooked from the beginning. You can't tell now that you didn't know what you were voting. You were voting second team or not, not the logistic of it.

But at the end, I am starting to think that the whole idea of the poll has brought more negative than positive effects... it would have been better if BBs took the decision on their own. Now what we have is a highly fragmented BB community, with several groups differing with each other: first supporters vs. non-supporters mainly... now it's becoming even more fragmented.

I agree. It was poorly handled. If they had just announced that they were making a new utopia league for supporters I would have been like "okay, that's cool".
But, they had a poll that listed something totally different and now I'm just disappointed. Not mad, but disappointed in how things are being handled (along with GDP) and losing interest.

What don't you like about the GDP? Would you have preferred a poll on whether it should be implemented?... No of course you wouldn't because then you would be complaining more about it. BB just cannot win with some people. just to clarify, although this message was sent to you, this is more of a general message to everyone. People get upset about how BB handles things regardless of how they go about it. Many people didn't like it when the GDP and tax exemption was added to the game without a huge discussion about it and now many people are complaining that BB tried to discuss the addition of something. I'm not saying that they handled this the best way they could of, I'm just pointing out that people will complain regardless of how they implement something new. As many other people have said, I'm going to wait until the details come out on the 2nd team aspect before I set my opinion in stone on it.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 2/16/2014 8:02:52 PM

Well, I gotta say that BB is doing a great job in my opinion, the overtaxation was in my opinion an excelent idea, and his having great success avoiding the tanking and then a super team, and the GDP avoiding play inside the whole season with no changes.
And now, I really think they are going the right way with this utopia server. I think the best thing BB could give me this moment is a "server reset". I know the game well already, and want an opurtunity to start a game at the same level as the other users...and if they give me that, it would be awsome!