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From: Thor
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Date: 2/13/2011 6:58:39 AM
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this from the NBA magic world....http://www.nba.com/search/?text=fines&x=0&y=0

and the FIBA

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/langid/1...


i could find several others similar or fines of other category...


even by typing:fraud,penalties, fine etc....there are several articles, THAT MAKE PUBLIC any accusations and penalties set by the NBA/FIBA ...

if they dont worry about it and make public all fines given....

what are we so afraid of????

Hypocrisy as i once said....:))))


From: Manouche

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They are articles not a pillory. It's a different issue.

The argument is that a pillory would tone down cheating. My question is : do you think Rudy would stop saying he wants to return to Europe if his name was put on a pillory list for everyone to see ? Do you see how ridiculous is this question ?

Why there are articles written about those fines is very different from what we are talking about.




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Date: 2/13/2011 7:33:43 AM
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Manouche fair comment that they are articles about cheating and its a different issue.....

BUT WHAT DOES YOUR COMMENT BELOW HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD????

My question is : do you think Rudy would stop saying he wants to return to Europe if his name was put on a pillory list for everyone to see ? Do you see how ridiculous is this question ?



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Date: 2/13/2011 8:08:16 AM
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Sorry guys, i dont "get" your sense of humour!!!!!! Must be a language thing, a cultural thing....or perhaps a bad joke!!!!

:)

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I am discussing the assumption that public humiliation prevents rules breaking.

I believe I am right on topic.

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Date: 2/13/2011 8:17:42 AM
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the point of Pillory is not public humiliation, my understanding from what people were posting, about the pros, was notification and more light on decisions....not how the decisions are reached, rather what the decisions were.

I dont think that anyone suggested here that a team should be punished and humiliated by creating a pillory

besides if a team is banned from game and that is shown on pillory, how is that team humiliated?? the team cant login into the game again?
plus if a team is fined for a player transfer that is too high, how is that team humiliated if that is shown in pillory??

plus not to mention this is not RL (real life) and the idea is to keep it as a game, and not refer to real life issues, like humiliation, ridicule, and many others....which is why the pillory is not meant to creat these issues, rather simply be used as a source for knowing what is going, free time from GMs as all fines will be in one page so people would not have to keep asking, plus give a better incentive for people to continue to report as they see the result of these reports.


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Date: 2/13/2011 8:47:19 AM
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A pillory is a real device, research about it. By analogy, the name pillory was given to the kind of list you want to see here, it's not by chance. The goal is to shame and the expectation is that the fear of an humiliation deters rules breakings. Again, if you've seen such a list being called a pillory, it's not by chance.

Pikaso, you ask for more information on GMs decisions and that's different from the opening post's suggestion.
I will leave it to the GMs to debate this ;)
I will only say that petty fights, rancor and ridicule are very real on online games.



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Date: 2/13/2011 8:50:12 AM
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What I saw is some greek people wanting to have a Pillory, in the meantime we have a world population who keep writing report. I know it's easy to schematize the problem, but I don't know, maybe it's an internal problem in Greece, because this topic stay on the top greek poster after greek poster.


...or maybe the Greek community being so active is interested in improving the game and has already discussed this issue thoroughly in internal thread that decided is an idea worth discussing further and putting it out there for everyone to discuss further. The fact the there is greek poster after greek poster should not be an issue of "concern" instead it just shows that some people have strong views and arguments on a particular topic, and want to hear other/different views!!!

We already have many reports by people who are just surveying their leaguemate or opposing bidder. I can assure you that many of them will not go see a Pillory.


..and equaly I can assure you there are others that do report and would go see a Pillory. I dont think the matter in question is about who does and who doesnt, rather whether its an overall improvement of the game


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I respect your personal view, and that in your mind it would not stop cheaters, it would not motivate reporters further and it would not add anything to the game, but at the same time its obvious (from the posts) that others have a different view, and perhaps its something that BBs might consider.

The point is not to have an argument, rather to have a suggestion thread with pros and cons for people to discuss and for BBs to evaluate and decide.




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