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254079.847 in reply to 254079.846
Date: 2/16/2014 7:39:57 PM
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But at the end, I am starting to think that the whole idea of the poll has brought more negative than positive effects... it would have been better if BBs took the decision on their own. Now what we have is a highly fragmented BB community, with several groups differing with each other: first supporters vs. non-supporters mainly... now it's becoming even more fragmented.


I agree. It was poorly handled. If they had just announced that they were making a new utopia league for supporters I would have been like "okay, that's cool".
But, they had a poll that listed something totally different and now I'm just disappointed. Not mad, but disappointed in how things are being handled (along with GDP) and losing interest.

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Date: 2/16/2014 8:01:50 PM
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What don't you like about the GDP? Would you have preferred a poll on whether it should be implemented?... No of course you wouldn't because then you would be complaining more about it. BB just cannot win with some people. just to clarify, although this message was sent to you, this is more of a general message to everyone. People get upset about how BB handles things regardless of how they go about it. Many people didn't like it when the GDP and tax exemption was added to the game without a huge discussion about it and now many people are complaining that BB tried to discuss the addition of something. I'm not saying that they handled this the best way they could of, I'm just pointing out that people will complain regardless of how they implement something new. As many other people have said, I'm going to wait until the details come out on the 2nd team aspect before I set my opinion in stone on it.

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254079.849 in reply to 254079.848
Date: 2/16/2014 9:00:18 PM
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Well, I gotta say that BB is doing a great job in my opinion, the overtaxation was in my opinion an excelent idea, and his having great success avoiding the tanking and then a super team, and the GDP avoiding play inside the whole season with no changes.
And now, I really think they are going the right way with this utopia server. I think the best thing BB could give me this moment is a "server reset". I know the game well already, and want an opurtunity to start a game at the same level as the other users...and if they give me that, it would be awsome!

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Date: 2/16/2014 9:33:36 PM
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I don't like the GDP for different reasons that were beaten to death in the thread about it. Don't want to turn this into a GDP thread (I know, I brought it up).
I certainly wouldn't have wanted a poll for the same reason I think this poll failed and I agree that you can't win with some people, which is how I felt about this poll. I don't hate the utopia thing, I just think this was poorly executed and that's where I'm disappointed. I'm not a big complainer. I think the intentions were good and I do appreciate the desire to get input from the user base (even if disagreeing will get you branded as someone looking for something to complain about).
Like you said, you can't please everyone and I think having a poll where you outline the possible rules for one thing, then turn around and do something else causes more harm than good.
I do like the tax exemption change. So I'm not totally evil.

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254079.851 in reply to 254079.849
Date: 2/17/2014 5:38:08 AM
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Well, I gotta say that BB is doing a great job in my opinion, the overtaxation was in my opinion an excelent idea, and his having great success avoiding the tanking and then a super team, and the GDP avoiding play inside the whole season with no changes.
And now, I really think they are going the right way with this utopia server. I think the best thing BB could give me this moment is a "server reset". I know the game well already, and want an opurtunity to start a game at the same level as the other users...and if they give me that, it would be awsome!



No. This is a wrong idea. Important matches are played still with inside tactics, or better, inside tactics are still more efficient than perimetral, despite GDP. I have doubts about GDP balancement (probably is stronger for some kinds of tactic than others) but GDP still doesn't represent solution, because what BB needs is to have two teams, with similar salary amount, team one well builded from inner tactics and team two for perimetral, which are at same level. Not a "predictor" for trying to equilibrate.
Be clear, at least it's a new thing.
OT, imho, despite i'm one of the 0,001% who's paying, it's a good thing.

Coming back on topic.
ok, we drops 600 users from today's bot batch than yesterday's userlevel, and we lost 1% of users in balance (we started last monday with 30k) after 2 weeks of stable userbase. (just to report it).

for the 2nd team, focus is "to have" more supporters, or am i wrong?
Has BB-Marin (and who suggested or helped him to take decision) that more supporter (it's simply a numerical issue) should came from more populed nations?
And, after the "big increase" when Supporterland (after Marin's announce, Utopia became a little obsolete) will be open, may drop in about 1/2 season due of competition or, the "other face of the medal",only brave remain in div X trying to promote, and other one will stop using the 2nd team option?
And, another consideration: will supporter price remain the same when you introduce 2nd teams?




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254079.854 in reply to 254079.837
Date: 2/17/2014 4:02:46 PM
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First, I'm ridiculously excited that there will be a second team feature!

If it is implemented as a Utopia, 99th country, I really hope all teams enter at DIV or DV (depending on number of teams in the new country). Otherwise, if some teams enter in DI, some in DII, others in DIII, it'll be unfair to those starting in the lower divisions. I think it's okay that there are 100% bot teams in DI until human teams promote into DI. One nice feature of this Utopia is that it's a 'reset', and it'll be cool competing against experienced managers, all starting from scratch.


I am truly excited for this as well, and agree with Timbo4's ideas about starting us all in the same Division.
I would have been happy with either Utopia or not. Being in Utopia, and the not yet mentioned rule differences, will be a cause for some new and creative team strategies relative to our existing teams. That will be fun.
Looking forward to it!

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Date: 2/19/2014 12:42:36 PM
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I created a new thread in the Suggestions forum to discuss possible ideas/considerations for the new Utopian/99th Country league. I decided to start a new thread since this one was more of a debate of the idea of new teams, and I wanted to preserve all of the ideas of the Utopian league in one place.

Here's a link to the Suggestions thread:

(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thr...)

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254079.856 in reply to 254079.840
Date: 2/22/2014 3:34:56 PM
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knetch, you loved the implementation of democracy, but now you mad because your option lost?


I never asked for "democracy", I asked for common sense and smart decisions.

A poll is not a vote and thus the democracy point is completely useless and makes no sense at all. Even if this was a "democratic" vote it would be the worst decision to put an option that was supported by 15% of all voters in first place.

In this case the MAIN goal that should have been achieved with this feature was ditched completely and that makes me furious because its just another failure of the people in charge. Mark my words, utopia will have less than 100 users. Great success, anyone who wanted to play in such a sucker league would have been very welcome to play in Austria, as our league is beyond boring.

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From: Elmacca

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Date: 2/25/2014 9:02:23 AM
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Hey parrot, I'm going to kick your tailfeathers in Utopia. Beak it.

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